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Old 01-06-11, 11:40 PM   #161
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Hi,

Hope you don't mind me asking a slightly off topic question, but still related to surround sound

This is with regards to 7.1 discrete channel DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD Bluray disc. When such 7.1 discrete channel are on the disc, what are the speakers that are expected from the last(?) 2 channels. Are they meant for the rear speakers?

I am curious because what happens if someone set up their 7.1 speakers as front height? In this case, will the the last two channel be ignored (assuming that no processing eg II Pz or Audyssey DSX invoked) as no rear speakers are hooked-up, so there are no sound from the front height speakers?

Then, what happens when using either Dolby Digital IIPz or Audyssey DSX? Will the AVR send the sound from the LSurround & RSurround channel to the front height and not make use of the last 2 discrete channels? If that is the case, using front height speakers with DD IIPz or Audyssey might not be an optimum choice for 7.1 discrete channel Bluray disc and its better to wire it as rear?

Thanks a lot and if this is seems like noob question - yes, I am a complete newbie to Home Theatre.


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Old 01-07-11, 12:05 AM   #162
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Hi,

Hope you don't mind me asking a slightly off topic question, but still related to surround sound

This is with regards to 7.1 discrete channel DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD Bluray disc. When such 7.1 discrete channel are on the disc, what are the speakers that are expected from the last(?) 2 channels. Are they meant for the rear speakers?

I am curious because what happens if someone set up their 7.1 speakers as front height? In this case, will the the last two channel be ignored as no rear speakers are hooked-up, so there are no sound from the front height speakers?
I believe the 7.1 is two front plus centre, two side surround, 2 rear and 1 sub. There may be a market for receiver manufacturers to offer the front high as an option at the expense of the rear channels, and I think this would be a viable option once movies start adding the front high channels for some room setups.


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Old 01-07-11, 02:40 PM   #163
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This is mostly a question for Sir T, but curious what other people would say as well:

With all the discussion of surround and whether it's over-used, under-used, and examples where it's done perfectly.

In mixing, it seems like selecting the level of the front channels would be relatively simple - in terms of dialogue and most content........ how are levels (when mixing) determined when mixing surrounds? It seems like it would be very subjective in determining the proper levels. You might want most of the effect coming from the front, and maybe SOME coming from behind or the sides...... but is that mostly just what sounds good to the re-recording engineer during the mixing?

The movies that I've been disappointed by - it's been complete lack of surround -- and I can't say that I've heard movies that I have anything bad to say about the surround levels (too high or too low).

Just curious if anyone had any thoughts on whether the mixed level of surrounds is ever incorrect? Or is there even such thing? Who is to say that a sound coming from behind you should be louder or quieter..


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What determines if a soundtrack is done correctly is if it sounds natural, like if a certain scene/situation sounds like it would out in the real world.
It is correct if it helps to take you out of this world and put you in the movie, but you don't want it to distract you either.
Hard balancing act fot Sir T and others like him.


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LOL....Let me know how you liked the sound track. Constructive criticism is always welcomed
My criticism could only be "subjective" .

The last Disney,well....Pixar film I watched was WALL.E and I thought is had great sound as well as picture.Come to think of it, only A Bug's Life fell short of sounding right to me of the CG animated flicks that I have watched.I don't watch to many of Disney's live action films,but from what I remember,the first Narnia didn't disappoint in the sound department,so your in luck!

You might get a kick out of this.Home Theater Magazine is reviewing the Atlantis Technology AT-1 loudspeaker with H-PAS in this month's issue and one of the comments was that it has amazing bottom,but the major flaw, lack of matching center and surrounds.


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My criticism could only be "subjective" .
Ouch Drudge..... Very, very ouch.....


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Ouch Drudge..... Very, very ouch.....
Actually I'm just poking fun at myself,since what I hear is really only my opinion based on my set-up.

No need to take it seriously Dale.


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Actually I'm just poking fun at myself,since what I hear is really only my opinion based on my set-up.

No need to take it seriously Dale.
I really didn't at all, just joining in the conversation. I've been out of pocket for a couple of days and was just catching up and having some fun.


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I really didn't at all, just joining in the conversation. I've been out of pocket for a couple of days and was just catching up and having some fun.
Fun is what it's all about!


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LOL....Let me know how you liked the sound track. Constructive criticism is always welcomed
Narnia has great sound, now those guys that worked on Harry Potter are a different story....


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