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Old 01-19-08, 11:10 AM   #1
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Which EQ to buy/use for IB cal


Hi folks! New to this forum. I have attached a graph of my system output taken at roughly my sitting position which is 10-12 feet from my IB (4 Tempest-X manifold) and located behind my TV. I used the test tones and spread sheet provided on this website (Thank you!). I used the test tones from 10 Hz on up. My original goal was flat to 15 Hz on the low end. I could barely hear the 20 Hz tone so I was satisfied with my unEQed results. Which EQ would best suit my needs as I am somewhere between a casual and critical listener (BFD, Rane,...). Thanks!!

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The BFD is inexpensive and quite effective for sub equalization. I would go with the BFD.

It would be a good idea to switch to using REW. It makes it much easier to get the correct filters to use in the BFD.

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Thanks Bruce. I probably should have done the graph with my sub alone which I will do now. The BFD looks like it may need a hum filter or something? What would you recommend to go along with the BFD to get up and running considering my equipment is not Pro "type" stuff (no XLR)? Which Behringer would you recommend?


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The BFD looks like it may need a hum filter or something?
Some people do experience a hum from a ground loop when they use a BFD, but most don't. I would install it first, and then see if you need to address that.

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What would you recommend to go along with the BFD to get up and running considering my equipment is not Pro "type" stuff (no XLR)?
The BFD adjusts automatically for both balanced and unbalanced input and output, depending on the type of connector used, so that's not an issue. You would use (RCA to 1/4" TS phone) cable.

The BFD also has a switch to go between pro and consumer level. Again, not an issue.

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See here.

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Thanks again Bruce!


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So to use a BFD I would need a connector that connects rca to XLR or 1/4-inch (don't know what the differences are between these connections either physically or functionally) and another to reverse for output? In order to use REW I would need a mic (ECM8000?), a mic preamp (recommend?) and a cable to go from the mic (what connection is on the mic?) to the 3.5mm connector on my laptop sound card? Any suggestions as to what I would need would be appreciated. I am running my IB using a NAD 2200 amp. I've noticed that my power meters were not responding the same for the left and right channels. I noticed this years ago when I was using the amp to run my stereo speakers (Pre home theater). I have been driving my IB as a "stereo" sub. Two drivers each powered by one side of the amp (8 ohms nominal per side). I believe the amp is miscalibrated to where one side is putting out significantly more power than the other (4/5 db). So I bridged the amp so I could drive all 4 drivers off the same channel (4 ohm nominal). Now I can't lower the sub volume enough using the sub setup in my receiver. Does the BFD allow attenuation of the output to correct this situation? I would estimate the output is 6/7dB too hot. I saw there is a -4 and a +10 db compensation but is there an overall level matching capability within the BFD? Thanks!!!


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Hi you could check out the Behringer cx-3400 that will let you lower the output to you sub amp no problem as the bfd will only let you choose between the two settings you mention, -4 and +10 db.

I 've used a cx-3400 for ages and find them pretty good, also it has delay which is helpfull, also available which is even better is the Behringer dcx-2496 it has auto phase setup which uses the Behringer test mic.

Both are quite cheap.


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So to use a BFD I would need a connector that connects rca to XLR or 1/4-inch (don't know what the differences are between these connections either physically or functionally) and another to reverse for output?
XLR and 1/4"phone plugs are only physically different, not functionally. You can simply use a simple RCA to RCA cable with an adapter like the one below, that can be had from Radio Shack.



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In order to use REW I would need a mic (ECM8000?), a mic preamp (recommend?) and a cable to go from the mic (what connection is on the mic?) to the 3.5mm connector on my laptop sound card? Any suggestions as to what I would need would be appreciated.
You can use a Radio Shack SPL meter or better, a Galaxy CM140 SPL meter, or the ECM8000 which uses the Behringer XENYX 802 preamp.

All these output line level signals, so the standard microphone input on a laptop is not suffice. It has to have a line-in. most don't, so an external USB soundcard is required. Very cheap to buy..

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Does the BFD allow attenuation of the output to correct this situation?
No, it's a unity gain device.

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I saw there is a -4 and a +10 db compensation
This is merely a selection of operating level. It has no effect on the level of the signal. It basically determines maximum level..

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OK, it seems as though this will take quite a bit of misc "stuff" to better optimize my setup using REW. Since I will most likely only be doing this once (yeah right), maybe I should see what I can do just using the manual method I used to generate my first graph. Since I need to do some signal attenuation, I should probably look into another device which will allow attenuation and bandwidth adjustment (suggestions?). Unless I'm looking at this too simplistically, I can probably get much better than it is now and somewhat close to the REW approach. Thanks!


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Since I need to do some signal attenuation, I should probably look into another device which will allow attenuation
I'm a bit confused why you are experiencing this level problem. Bridging an amplifier caused the level to increase?

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