Behringer FBQ2496 or DSP1124P

[tomacco]

Wayne A. Pflughaupt wrote:

It’ll work fine, as long as you don’t mind paying twice the price of a FBQ and nearly four times what the BFD costs. It has some features that we really don’t have a need for, hence the price.

Regards,
Wayne

Hi Wayne: Would a price of $200 USD for the DEQ2496 make you sit up and take attention?

Best Regards
Eric G.

[tomacco]

Wayne A. Pflughaupt wrote:

It’ll work fine, as long as you don’t mind paying twice the price of a FBQ and nearly four times what the BFD costs. It has some features that we really don’t have a need for, hence the price.

Regards,
Wayne

Hi Wayne: Without getting long and drawn out, which functions might I not use. And other users who have experience with this gizzmo, which functions wouldn't you use. Would thOSE functions be cumbersome, and add frustration to your setup. If this turns out to be a horrific answer, I'll go through the manuals rather than waste your good time.

Thanks
ERIC G.

[Wayne A. Pflughaupt]

tomacco wrote:

Hi Wayne: Would a price of $200 USD for the DEQ2496 make you sit up and take attention?

Not really – I don’t need or want one.

Without getting long and drawn out, which functions might I not use.

Sorry, I goofed about that – I confused the FBQ2492 with that other 2496 equalizer, which has a built-in real time analyzer. (Why does Behringer insist on giving the same numbers with different products? Grrr... )

To answer your question, as far as we’re concerned for equalizing subwoofers, you really don’t need 20 filters per channel. But on the other hand, some people will find the MIDI of value. So, for the extra money you get extra filters and a functioning MIDI interface.

If you’ve read the rest of this thread, you already know that I don’t like the FBQ’s reduced precision compared to the BFD, although I haven’t seen anyone complain that they didn’t get what they wanted from it.

Regards,
Wayne

[tomacco]

Hi Wayne: I keep a piece of paper by my desk with the P/Ns, because I cant remember them 2 minutes after I read them. Double Grrrr. From my scanty reading, I find the BFD more simple, but using it will tell. Plus I save $112.

[P-P-S-S]

I want to buy a Behinger Feedback Destroyer for my sub too. The problem is that for some very strange reason the DSP1124P has been discontinued in UK and it is really hard to find. The US version apparently will not function properly in UK either. From what i understand the main differences between the FBQ2496 and DSP1124 are: The MIDI function is more reliable in the first and the second offers multiple channels (as opposed to the 1 that FBQ offers).

My question is, if i need the feedback destroyer jus for my sub will i need the multiple channels or is just 1 more than enough?

[brucek]

The MIDI function is more reliable in the first

That's the first time I've heard that...

if i need the feedback destroyer jus for my sub will i need the multiple channels or is just 1 more than enough?

The BFD has two channels. You can drive many subs, but only with two discrete filter sets.

brucek

[tomacco]

P-P-S-S wrote:

I want to buy a Behinger Feedback Destroyer for my sub too. The problem is that for some very strange reason the DSP1124P has been discontinued in UK and it is really hard to find. The US version apparently will not function properly in UK either. From what i understand the main differences between the FBQ2496 and DSP1124 are: The MIDI function is more reliable in the first and the second offers multiple channels (as opposed to the 1 that FBQ offers).

My question is, if i need the feedback destroyer jus for my sub will i need the multiple channels or is just 1 more than enough?

Not to be cruel, but I just received my DSP 1124P today. Now I'm gonna' have to work on gettin' a woofer to see if the BFD works. Fix one problem, and another one pops up. It never ends. Once I demonstrate that the 1st channel works, I'm gonna' have to buy a 2nd sub to prove that the 2nd channel works. Sheesh!

Eric G.

[P-P-S-S]

brucek wrote:

That's the first time I've heard that...
brucek

There have been many reports of people having problems with the MIDI in the DSP1124P. Isnt that true?

brucek wrote:

The BFD has two channels. You can drive many subs, but only with two discrete filter sets.

brucek

What do you mean by BFD? As far as i understand they are both BFD (Behringer Feedback Destroyer) but two different models : one is DSP1124P and the other is FBQ2496.

[brucek]

There have been many reports of people having problems with the MIDI in the DSP1124P. Isnt that true?

When a BFD has the firmware release V1.3, then the midi simply doesn't work. If you're unfortunate enough to get a unit with this rev of firmware, then you need to replace the PROM chip with the V1.4 firmware. I haven't heard about the midi function being any less reliable though. Once it works, it works the same as any other midi. Here's the thread on that issue.

What do you mean by BFD?

When I say BFD, I mean the FEEDBACK DESTROYER PRO DSP1124P. The FEEDBACK DESTROYER PRO FBQ2496 is usually referred to as an FBQ. Sorry for the confusion.

brucek

[Jack Hidley]

If someone wants to supply me with an FBQ and a BFD, I'd be glad to do a full set of measurements with an AP and post the results. Then everyone would have accurate, apples to apples data to compare them.

[Jack Hidley]

I've got someone to send me a BFD, now all I need is an FBQ.

[cburbs]

Well I received the DSP1124P/cables/etc for christmas gift from my wife - now I just need some time to play with everything. Do I need to read up on anything for the DSP - I have already played around with REW.

[Mupi]

Wayne A. Pflughaupt wrote:

The FBQ isn’t nearly as precise as the BFD, at least as far as available bandwidth settings are concerned (only 1/3 as many increments as the BFD in the subwoofer range). That would be a deal breaker with me.

Just became a member here after hearing about the BFD at AVS forum.

I thought both the FBQ and DSP are BFD products.

Could you please let me know if I am mistaken

Thanks

[Mupi]

Mupi wrote:

Just became a member here after hearing about the BFD at AVS forum.

I thought both the FBQ and DSP are BFD products.

Could you please let me know if I am mistaken

Thanks

oops! someone just answered my question above.
Never mind

[Mupi]

DSP1124P is still available for $99 at partsexpress

Is there a way to find out if the units have v1.4 or v1.3

If I am not going to use the midi option then does it matter
if it is v1.3 or 1.4

I almost bought the 1124p but before I pull the trigger I wanted to
check here.

In all probability the measurements I make either manually or
using REW will have some errors as I am not an expert in this
topic. So I was wondering if I should care so much about the
accuracy of the FBQ vs DSP.

[brucek]

Is there a way to find out if the units have v1.4 or v1.3

You require access to the front panel.

If I am not going to use the midi option then does it matter
if it is v1.3 or 1.4

Nope.....

So I was wondering if I should care so much about the
accuracy of the FBQ vs DSP

No, that's not really an issue.

brucek

[Mupi]

Some folks say that the FBQ2496 has better circuitry than the DSP1124P

Does it equate to cleaner output from the FBQ. I think I am hearing
subtle distorsion from the DSP at higher frequencies even though I am
not filtering them. Is it possible that the A/D, D/A converters on DSP1124P
are not high quality and for $50 more does the FBQ offer better A/D, D/A converters

Also I didnt not see anything in the manual of FBQ about the number of filters
on FBQ. I have the DSP so I know it has 12 filters (presets). If the FBQ has only one,
then I cant have multiple filters like one fot HT, one for movies, one only when
fronts are used for music, one when both fronts and sub is used for music etc.

So other than having 20 bandwidths are there any advantages of the FBQ.
People say it has better circuitry but for $50 more how much better is it
compared to DSP? Will I hear any difference in the sound quality between
the 2, assuming I use same 12 bands on the FBQ also instead of the 20.

Right now the main advantage I see with the FBQ is that it has 20 bands
and using REW I am able to get a better curve than DSP. But if I want a
different filter then I have to reload a new one. Even if I can use the midi and
have the REW download the filter, I still have to do it every time I want to
try a different filter. Where as with the DSP I can enter several of them
one time and just switch them. Has anyone found this to be a major
drawback>

[Wayne A. Pflughaupt]

Lots of questions, I don't know if any one person can answer all of them.

I will say that if you're hearing bad things from the DSP at higher frequencies, then maybe you should go with the FBQ. The FBQ has different converters than the DSP, so I guess it's possible that they're better. That said, comparing the two nothing I see in the FBQ's specs screams "better" to me, except for the Crosstalk spec (don't know enough about AD/DA converters to say which kind is inherently better).

Regards,
Wayne