Music on blu-ray? - Home Theater Forum and Systems - HomeTheaterShack.com

Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 33 Old 04-28-09, 06:46 PM Thread Starter
Senior Shackster
Greg
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: White Plains, New York
Posts: 526
Smile Music on blu-ray?

Well, I, like many of you have a collection of DVD-A and SACD titles. Mostly Jazz and classical. And a few others, Santana, Donald Fagen, Earth, Wind, and Fire, etc.
What about high resolution music, on Blu-Ray?


An Open Letter To Audiophile Record Labels About Blu-ray For Music

* By: Jerry Del Colliano
* - Reviewer's System

* Category:
* Blu-ray Player News, Blu-ray Software News, Feature News Stories, Industry Trade News, News, Source Component News, Stereo Amplifier News, Stereo Preamplifier News

* Resources & Links:
* Blu-ray News
* , Dolby Digital (AC3)
* , Dolby Pro Logic
* , Dolby TrueHD
* , DTS
* , DTS Surround Sound
* , DTS-HD Master Audio
* , SACD
* , Source Components
* , View Jerry Del Colliano's Reviews


* April 6, 2009




To All Audiophile and Specialty Record Labels,


Today is the day to see the extraordinary opportunity in front of you. The days of selling retro-vinyl titles or dead-format SACDs are over. The Blu-ray era is here and you have every reason to get involved, as the reasons are so plentiful. The most compelling reason is the majors are distracted by the low-hanging fruit of downloads, even as there is an enthusiast base of music lovers who can buy thousands if not tens of thousands of your new and even more profitable back-catalogue titles right now.

To recap some of the many reasons why Blu-ray is something you should be jumping into with both feet:
- Blu-ray as an audio format can accurately replicate the master tape - no matter how high its resolution - with a one-for-one copy that blows away the audio performance of any other format on the market today, including vinyl, Compact Disc, DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, SACD and most HD downloads.
- Blu-ray is copy-protected at levels that would make Hollywood studios feel comfortable. It's pretty hard to steal the files, yet there is room to give MP3 files or other lower-resolution files to add value for consumers if desired.
- Blu-ray can be connected with one HDMI cable, unlike the ghastly nine-cable nightmare of DVD-Audio and SACD.
- Blu-ray players are downright affordable with retail prices of below $200, yet they pack audio performance simply not available from the best $15,000 SACD players and $50,000 turntables. Of course, audiophile-grade Blu-ray players could sound even better, but the barrier to entry is so low for consumers to get in on Blu-ray for music that the opportunity is just screaming at you.
- Blu-ray, unlike SACD (the current and only real audiophile format left), has video capabilities. Millions of people buy HDTVs every month for HD video. Imagine selling HD music discs to even 1/100th of one percent of them.
- Labels like 2L from Norway are bundling SACDs with Blu-ray discs for audiophiles to make the most of both formats and to open up the possibility to sell more music to more people.
- Blu-ray as a format can do 5.1 audio or even 7.1 audio to recreate a surround sound experience that makes DVD-Audio or SACD sound "last decade," even if the audiophile print magazines think "last decade" is somehow more desirable. DTS Master Audio and Dolby True HD are incredible audio playback formats.
- Every receiver on the market today and dozens of more audiophile-grade AV preamps have HDMI inputs and can reproduce master-quality audio for very little money.
- I could go on and on and on...

Today the opportunity is sitting right in front of your noses to be more like Microsoft than Micromega and to sell your entire back catalogues all over again on Blu-ray. Today, the opportunity to license important music from the past and remaster it for HD will get the attention of bigger record labels in ways it wouldn't have done even five years ago.

Imagine an audiophile or specialty HD audiophile label selling 1,000 copies each at $20 per (the discs don't have to be cheap, as you need room to pay the artists and labels for the better music, the remastering costs etc.) - think of the sales for your smaller labels. If I were going to start an audiophile/specialty label (don't think it hasn't crossed my mind, but my plate is pretty full producing movies in 4k like April Showers, in theaters on April 24, 2009 - shameless plug), I would go to DTS and see if I could license their back catalogue of 5.1 mixes of the music of Sting, the Eagles, Queen, Lyle Lovett and many others. Some were on 5.1 CDs, others on DVD-Audio, but all are close to being ready to be re-released. What happened to AudioQuest Music? Could there be a stash of music waiting to be released in HD on Blu-ray? How about JVC Music? Think Concord would take your call for you to re-release Telarc recordings on Blu-ray? Why wouldn't they, if you do the heavy lifting and they share in the profits? It's worth a call to ask, but before you make that call, dial up your banker, because as financial institutions free up their lending in the coming months, you might need some upfront money to land and remaster the goodies. Trust me, it's worth it long-term.

To the specialty retailers of the world, like Acoustic Sounds, Music Direct and even Amazon.com: how about putting out a purchase order for enough discs so that these small labels can feel the effect? How about priming the pump a little, the way the Federal government is trying to stimulate the economy? There is only so much risk a small label can take when it is selling its music directly to the consumer. Look at these labels as your partners and help them gain some market traction.

To audiophile and home theater electronics companies: stop fearing making a higher-end Blu-ray player. Where is my Meridian Blu-ray player? Yes, I want a Sooloos media server, too, but I want a player with all of Meridian's (or Krell's, or Levinson's or EMM Labs' or DCS's or ...) insight and experience for Blu-ray music and movie playback. I would pay thousands for it and there are thousands of others like me. Goldmund can't be the only high-end company on the planet with enough guts to make a high-end Blu-ray player. It's time to step up and invest. OEM companies can help and it doesn't have to be that painful or outlandishly costly.

To the audiophile and HD-loving consumers: what if you bought a $200 or $300 Blu-ray player today for your best audio rig and looked for some of the newest titles on Blu-ray with the same enthusiasm as you seek out rare vinyl or high-resolution SACDs? They are out there. Buy the Neil Young catalogue. Buy some stuff from 2L. Buy some concert videos on Blu-ray. As soon as labels see that you are out there and are willing to spend the money that you might spend on a hot dog and a Coke at a baseball game on a Blu-ray music disc, they will make more. Record execs and RIAA statisticians track the sale of music on new formats like Blu-ray and your support makes a difference.

To specialty AV retailers who still care about selling audio and home systems to make profitable audio sales in the future: what if you made 100 percent certain that every person who walks in your door gets a demo of some music (even if it's in HD stereo) hears what Blu-ray can do in reproducing music. Show these people the future and ask them if they want to invest. How about calling every audiophile client you have sold a stereo preamp to in the past 20 years and send your salespeople out with a player and a Blu-ray music disc under their arms to do an in-home demo for 10 minutes? Think you might get some people back in the store for some sales? Do your salespeople have anything to do better right now than this kind of grassroots movement?

Computer software companies and Hollywood studios make their vast fortunes selling the same basic data over and over again, each time with new twists and performance enhancements. The major record labels used to follow same business model until the mid-1990s. As much as the major labels want to blame Napster and peer-to-peer file sharing for their ills, that's not the issue. The issue is that the compact disc isn't an HD format and consumers want everything HD today. Blu-ray is HD on all levels. Blu-ray is good for surround sound in HD resolutions, it's copy-protected and it's cheap to get started. It's a stunning value proposition for audiophiles, as well as for consumers far more mainstream in the marketplace today.

My open challenge to you, the HD-loving, performance-oriented audiophiles, is to embrace Blu-ray for audio right now. Buy a player. Buy some discs. Write letters. Send emails. Post about HD audio on Facebook. Talk about Blu-ray on Linkedin's audiophile group. Ask your local record shop to start a Blu-ray section. Do the same at your local audio store. Start your own small movement. Get 10 or 20 of your music-loving friends to support the movement. It gets viral and that's how things get legs these days.

Meaningful HD downloads are coming without question, but won't be mainstream for years to come. Time will tell how you respond to the challenge and vast opportunity that I outline for you here. I see a bright future for HD audio if the people who truly love HD look to the future more than they cling to the past.

Greg
deacongreg is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 33 Old 04-29-09, 07:42 PM
Shackster
Charlie
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 69
Re: Music on blu-ray?

With all the threads on the future of Blu-ray, this is an area that I don't see mentioned. It seems to me that Sony would lead the way with getting music on to BD as a way to make the format more attractive to a wider audience. Just like with movies, there could be the SD version of an album and the HD version which would be on Blu-ray with some extras to entice the consumer to accept the higher cost.

I'm an old guy and I appreciate that some of the classics are available on SACD and DVD-A, but I also like the new music and would really like to get it in something other than an over compressed, lossy format.
CharlieU is offline  
post #3 of 33 Old 04-30-09, 05:11 AM Thread Starter
Senior Shackster
Greg
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: White Plains, New York
Posts: 526
Re: Music on blu-ray?

Quote:
CharlieU wrote: View Post
With all the threads on the future of Blu-ray, this is an area that I don't see mentioned. It seems to me that Sony would lead the way with getting music on to BD as a way to make the format more attractive to a wider audience. Just like with movies, there could be the SD version of an album and the HD version which would be on Blu-ray with some extras to entice the consumer to accept the higher cost.

I'm an old guy and I appreciate that some of the classics are available on SACD and DVD-A, but I also like the new music and would really like to get it in something other than an over compressed, lossy format.
I`m in full agrement with you.

Greg
deacongreg is offline  
post #4 of 33 Old 08-04-09, 09:56 PM
New Member
Stress
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 3
Re: Music on blu-ray?

Agreed.

It is a shame the Beatles catalogue (that was remastered at 24/192) will only be (re)released on cd.

The notation of remixing and surround versions aside, it is disappointing the "full" versions will not be released, yet............................

Thanks
Stress is offline  
post #5 of 33 Old 11-01-09, 01:31 AM
Banned!
 
Lordoftherings's Avatar
Bob
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Victoria, B.C. Canada
Posts: 601
Re: Music on blu-ray?

Quote:
Stress wrote: View Post
Agreed.

It is a shame the Beatles catalogue (that was remastered at 24/192) will only be (re)released on cd.

The notation of remixing and surround versions aside, it is disappointing the "full" versions will not be released, yet............................

Thanks
I agree, it's a money-grabber stint (& stink), again.
Lordoftherings is offline  
post #6 of 33 Old 12-30-09, 10:18 PM
Shackster
hwkn
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Evanston,IL
Posts: 31
Re: Music on blu-ray?

I have both the Tom Petty and Neil Young music Blu rays and they're amazing imho.....I hope as everyone else here does that other artists follow their examples in the not too distant future.

Last edited by hwkn; 12-30-09 at 10:35 PM.
hwkn is offline  
post #7 of 33 Old 02-04-11, 07:38 AM
kirstie
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: New York
Posts: 6
Re: Music on blu-ray?

Quote:
deacongreg wrote: View Post
I`m in full agrement with you.
ME too friend.
kirstieames is offline  
post #8 of 33 Old 02-06-11, 06:49 AM
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 78
There are a few now, I think! Inception included a 5.1 music soundtrack on the bonus disc. There's also a Bluray soundtrack of THe social Network.
blackzarg is offline  
post #9 of 33 Old 02-07-11, 04:43 PM
Senior Shackster
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 365
Re: Music on blu-ray?

As sad as I am about this, I don't think this plea will go anywhere with the music executives. It terms of music, downloads are the way to go, even for high resolution multichannel music. Looking from a record companies perspective, I could offer my entire catalog in high resolution surround online, and save on the pressing of discs, and shipment to the stores, and dealing with returned goods. It is far easier to just create a uncompressed 24/96khz(192khz) PCM file and put it on the net, than the common way of delivery that has been done in the past. I do not think we are going back to disc as a music delivery format now that the internet has become a large place of commerce easily used by billions.

I used to buy SACD and DVD-A by the truck loads. I have 450 SACD's, 261 DVD-A discs I have accumulated over the years, and I also now have about 225 concert and audio only Bluray disc. In saying that, my buying habits of multichannel high resolution music have switched to HDtracks.

I have devoted an entire bedroom in one of my houses as a media room full of 2200 DVD's, 1400 Bluray's, 450 SACD's, and 261 DVD-A's. I am quickly running out of room at this point, and figured that 10 terabytes of raid storage is enough to put all of my music in lossless form, and a great deal of the my DVD collection as well.

Titan Reference 1080p 3D projector with 130" SI Black Diamond II screen, Oppo BDP-83SE, Oppo BDP-95, Cell based Grass Valley Pro HD A/V switcher and processor, Audyssey XT32 Pro equalization all main channels, Audyssey Sub Equalizer 7 Onkyo M-588 power amp ,7 Onkyo M-508 power amp,2 Onkyo M-504a power amps, 2 custom 4 way horn hybrid monitors,1 custom 2.5 way horn hybrid center monitor 8 custom 2 way horn hybid surrounds, 4 custom 15" servo H-PAS tuned subs

Member of AES/M.P.S.E/SMPTE
Sir Terrence is offline  
post #10 of 33 Old 02-08-11, 04:18 AM
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 78
Quote:
Sir Terrence wrote:
As sad as I am about this, I don't think this plea will go anywhere with the music executives. It terms of music, downloads are the way to go, even for high resolution multichannel music. Looking from a record companies perspective, I could offer my entire catalog in high resolution surround online, and save on the pressing of discs, and shipment to the stores, and dealing with returned goods. It is far easier to just create a uncompressed 24/96khz(192khz) PCM file and put it on the net, than the common way of delivery that has been done in the past. I do not think we are going back to disc as a music delivery format now that the internet has become a large place of commerce easily used by billions.

I used to buy SACD and DVD-A by the truck loads. I have 450 SACD's, 261 DVD-A discs I have accumulated over the years, and I also now have about 225 concert and audio only Bluray disc. In saying that, my buying habits of multichannel high resolution music have switched to HDtracks.

I have devoted an entire bedroom in one of my houses as a media room full of 2200 DVD's, 1400 Bluray's, 450 SACD's, and 261 DVD-A's. I am quickly running out of room at this point, and figured that 10 terabytes of raid storage is enough to put all of my music in lossless form, and a great deal of the my DVD collection as well.
Didn't know that HDtracks sold multichannel media! What format are they in, and how do you play them?
blackzarg is offline  
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
blu-ray? , music

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now




PLEASE COMPLETE ALL REQUIRED FIELDS BELOW... THANKS!

REQUIRED FIELDS ON THIS PAGE
YOU MUST COMPLETE ALL OF THESE

Username
Password
Confirm Password
Email Address
Confirm Email Address
Random Question
Random Question #2




User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
PLEASE READ BELOW PRIOR TO ENTERING AN EMAIL ADDRESS!

ATTENTION!

YOU MUST ACTIVATE YOUR ACCOUNT!

Activation requires you reply to an email we will send you after you register... if you do not reply to this email, you will not be able to view certain areas of the forum or certain images... nor will you be able download software.

AN INVALID EMAIL ADDRESS WILL CAUSE YOUR ACCOUNT TO BE DELETED!

See our banned email list here: Banned Email List

We DO NOT respond to spamcop, boxtrapper and spamblocker emails... please add @hometheatershack DOT com to your whitelist prior to registering or you will get nowhere on your registration.


Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML is not allowed!
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 


For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome