Majority of Americans unhappy...

**scott** · **03-09-08, 11:28 AM**

Very good, Indeed. But, as I said before, Most American's are lazy, some think it's not so bad because they make enough money not to have to worry about the cost of gas or a gallon of milk. We will never see(or hear) a major public outcry because we are not united together in anything. Revolutions need to happen from time to time as a "checks and balance". I understand the Constitution was written knowing there were mistakes and they they left room for it to me amended through the years. But to continuously amend for the sake of the gov. and not in the people's best interest is what is hurting us.

I am absolutely amazed (read: dumbfounded) at the amount of people that honestly believe what the gov. tells them is the truth. Point of fact, nukes in Iraq. They DID have them, the US sold to them when they were fighting Iran. How would that look on CNN saying we found WMD and an a birds eye view of hundreds of nukes with USA down the side.

We are pawns and peasants.

**SteveCallas** · **03-09-08, 01:24 PM**

With all due respect scott, what I find strange is how some conspiracy theorists put their faith in stories posted on random websites that can't be supported with any facts and list no authors or in testomonials from wackjobs. Usually the simplest explanation is the most logical and the closest account to what really happened, not the far out of left field 'the government is against us' explanation that relies on expert planning, split second timing, and big coverups. If our government has taught us anything, it's that they are all that great with expert planning, split second timing, and big coverups.

**thxgoon** · **03-09-08, 02:41 PM**

Quote:

Richard W. Haines wrote:

You want affordable heathcare, you need tax free medical savings account for every citizen
and tort reform to reduce insurance costs. Ask a doctor where a huge portion of his income
goes and it's for insurance to subsidize the trial lawyer lobby and their never ending suits
againts hospitals, drug companies and physicians.

Yes Yes Yes!

That and protection from price gouging. Why is it perscription drugs of the exact same kind can be bought in other (I won't mention it or Island1000 will puke again) countries for a fraction of what they are here?

Quote:

If our government has taught us anything, it's that they are all that great with expert planning, split second timing, and big coverups.

I agree. The president can't cheat on his wife without the entire world knowing but they can hide the fact that Saddam's WMD's were from the states? Especially with all of the private contractors over there, anti-bush sediment amongst various groups (not going to name them as not to offend) you'd think pics or first hand accounts would have made its way to CNN. Especially if the government told them to keep quiet. I know I would be the first one banging on the door of the BBC!

**Richard W. Haines** · **03-09-08, 05:19 PM**

SteveCallas,

I concur that much of the real racism in our society is coming from the far Left.

**Richard W. Haines** · **03-10-08, 02:38 PM**

Attempting to bring this back to the original theme of this thread, at least
in terms of our representatives, there is legitimate reason for Americans
to be unhappy with them. Let's hope they'll take a closer look before
voting for them in the future. And I can't fathom why anyone would
vote for any candidate that wants to increase anyone's tax burden and
his own power.

**scott** · **03-12-08, 07:11 PM**

Hey Richard, I have one for ya!! Here in southern Indiana, almost all along the Ohio river, there have been helicopters with spray booms flying grid patterns at around 11:00 p.m. What is being sprayed? I don't know. Coincidentally, we have had one of the worst flu outbreaks in years, killing the elder and some young. I have an ex-special ops friend in the south east of Indiana who to some air samples and are awaiting results. Could be interesting.

Oh yeah that's another story.........He stopped E-mailing about two weeks ago. When I finally called to check in, he had went to the hospital and came home to find all three computer hard drives had been erased and several "important documents" folders missing. Nothing else was touched.

And some people ask why I think like I do!!!

**lcaillo** · **03-12-08, 07:32 PM**

Still a good question, IMO. I agree with the notion that it is very hard to sustain a significant government conspiracy these days. There are too many ways for information to leak, too many connections to media, too little loyalty to a particular ideology, and too little competence in government to hide something very big for long.

**lcaillo** · **03-12-08, 08:07 PM**

I was just listening to PBS in the background and a lot of old music from the sixties on their fund drive. They played a video of Barry Maguire singing "Eve of Destruction." It made me think of all the doomsayers we have today. He was wrong then and they are wrong now. For all the things that are wrong, we still have it pretty good and things are much better now than in most ways then. We were not doomed then and not doomed now. We can thank conservatives more than we can thank liberals, IMO.

**SteveCallas** · **03-13-08, 02:37 AM**

Quote:

scott wrote:

Here in southern Indiana, almost all along the Ohio river

Hmm, I bet we live pretty close to each other.

Quote:

Richard wrote:

Here's one of the most blatant types of racism I can
think of. Kennedy proposed 'race norming' admissions exams to schools which means giving targeted
minorities extra points on tests because of their skin color. How absurd and insulting is that?
What kind of message does that give to minorities?

Quote:

Of course anyone that opposed this would probably be labeled a 'racist'.

Glad I'm not crazy. Again, I find myself amazed at their 'logic'....it's dumbfounding at times.

Oh, and when I said:

Quote:

If our government has taught us anything, it's that they are all that great with expert planning, split second timing, and big coverups.

I guess I missed the 'not', as in "they are not all that great", but I guess the point got across.

**Richard W. Haines** · **03-13-08, 06:21 AM**

The best thing that could happen in American politics is for the Democrats
to move away from the Leftists which currently dominate their party.
Return as a pro-Labor and pro-Capitalist party to make sure workers gets
a fair deal but abandon the socialist agenda of government dependence,
quotas and doling out largesse.

**OvalNut** · **03-13-08, 09:12 AM**

Quote:

Richard W. Haines wrote:

Here's the major contradiction of the Left. They believe that only
government can solve people's problems so they institute programs
to 'help' people which makes them dependent on government but gives them
a voting block. It's not in their interest to solve any problem because
people will be become independent from them and they'll lose the voting
block and the primary concern of all politicians (regardless of party
affiliation) it to get re-elected and stay in power.

Absolutely 100% true. This is likely THE most dangerous aspect of the current American political demographic. Once over 50% of the voters literally do not pay any taxes and view government as their nursemaid, they'll just vote to take more money from the people who actually do pay taxes. Then, it's game over as macroeconomic forces take over and crater the country.

Quote:

The best thing that could happen in American politics is for the Democrats
to move away from the Leftists which currently dominate their party.
Return as a pro-Labor and pro-Capitalist party to make sure workers gets
a fair deal but abandon the socialist agenda of government dependence,
quotas and doling out largesse. That way both parties could come
together to allow all people to move socially upwards and negotiate
compromises between the management and labor factions. Create a fiscally
sound and solvent safety net rather than the failed Ponzi schemes
of the past. Focus on the creation of weath for all citizens rather than re-distributing wealth from one person or group to another. Unfortunately neither of the current Democrat candidates subscribe to this. Both are socialists,
one elloquent and the other shrewish.

Also 100% true.

Tim

**Richard W. Haines** · **03-13-08, 10:12 AM**

Tim,

I guess we share similar worldviews. Another paradox is the "Reagan Democrat". Those were blue collar workers who did so well under supply side economics in the eighties (Reagonomics), they were re-classified as 'the evil rich' by their own party and targeted. They switched aliances and became the liberal wing of the GOP.

**Richard W. Haines** · **03-13-08, 11:42 AM**

Just curious...

Has anyone re-considered who they're voting for or party affiliations with these posts
or have people remained in their corners.

**thxgoon** · **03-13-08, 12:52 PM**

Hey Richard, that's an excellent question! You have helped me understand a few things a lot better within your posts but have not changed my affiliation because I still largely agree with the democratic party in this coming election. While the republicans were spending all of their time debating whether same sex marraiges should be legal, the dems were talking about health care and the national debt. To me the dems seem to be more on track with current issues affecting this nation.

As to your rant on the environment... you're right that global warming/cooling is extremely complex but pollution is still and always will be bad. Why fight anyone trying to reduce pollution? Otherwise I agree with most of what you say other than the comments regarding 'hidden agendas' for transforming the political landscape of our nation.

I prefer not to affiliate myself with a party and like to think I keep an open mind. In 2000 I voted for Gore, in 2004 I voted for Bush. This year I would be stoked for Obama/Edwards... I can wish right??

**OvalNut** · **03-13-08, 01:29 PM**

I was supporting Fred Thompson, but his campaiign was a no starter and he's not the most outwardly exhuberant personality, so they folded up the tents.

For the good of this and future generations, I'm going to hold my nose and vote for McCain.

Tim

**lcaillo** · **03-13-08, 02:04 PM**

I will try to keep an open mind until I vote, but so far I just can't seem to find any reason to do anything but the same. Senators Obama and Clinton are just too liberal to make any sense. Obama has so little history to go on and too much association with nuts, and Clinton, well, has there ever been a more patronizing opportunist this close to the Presidency?

**Richard W. Haines** · **03-13-08, 02:40 PM**

thxgoon,

There's a whole lot I don't like about the GOP including those claiming to be conservative and yet trying to dicate who anyone sleeps with.

**lcaillo** · **03-13-08, 04:12 PM**

I would have preferred Gov. Huckabee for the simple reason that he was the only one who saw the sense in the Fair Tax. It is the best thing we could do for our economy and when you keep the economy strong, all of the other fiscal issues become more easily managed. He may not have been the perfect conservative but I think he had leadership potential and a willingess to dig in and get things done.

**Richard W. Haines** · **03-13-08, 05:13 PM**

Icaillo,

I always thought the progressive income tax was unconstitutional. We're supposed to have
equal treatment under the law and yet the IRS treats people differently depending on thier
level of success, targeting those who work harder and take risks. Talk about a disincentive to be productive.

**scott** · **03-13-08, 06:07 PM**

No kidding. If I take a check written to my company, I pay more taxes than a check written to myself, turned in as "self employed".

**thxgoon** · **03-14-08, 01:09 AM**

Quote:

Richard W. Haines wrote:

While the Democrats 'talk' about healthcare and the national debt where are their solutions?

Well here's is Obama's health 'plan'. I put that in quotes because like most polititians all of the gritty details are left out. I don't know if they do this because we think they are stupid or what?? But they all seem to do it. I don't have any dirt on Mcain right off the top of my head but I'm sure a Google search would reveal just as much about him as any other candidate. When I consider the candidates I try to ignore all of the dirt that comes from the other side. It will always be there for every candidate. While the dems are talking about healthcare and the deficite, at least they are talking about it.

What would I do about the budgetary crisis in the state right now? I'd cut back on gov spending for unnessesary things. I'd micro manage every aspect of the government. As a high school student I was privleged to be on the student council in a position where I over saw anything tech at the school. To my amazement, any time I thought the school needed something, I'd pick out the piece of gear that I thought was the greatest (and usually most expensive) and lo and behold, I'd get a PO to go and get it!

Another thing...
I hope this isn't too far out there... but... as much as people will hate me for saying it, I'd legalize mj. All of a sudden millions of prisoners are let go that we are currently spending $40k a year housing, the DEA can downsize or concentrate on more important things and we can tax the blazes out of it. But this is something the GOP would never go along with as they stick to their 'guns' so to speak. (I very much agree with the right when it comes to the 2nd ammendment though).

Change is necessary in our country for a number of reasons, I don't see the GOP talking about it or really seriously considering any issues that I think are important presently. Why would I want Edwards as a running mate? Because he (claims) to fight for the little guy. And he is so passionate about it that he almost comes off as a crusader. He won't accept money from lobbyists and he won't put up with the from giant corporations. IMHO, these giant corps need to be kept in check.

I dunno, just my humble take atm...

Advertisement