Majority of Americans unhappy...

**thxgoon** · **03-30-08, 03:45 PM**

Quote:

Richard W. Haines wrote:

The Left gets a free pass on everything. They've never been held accountable for anything
they've done.

Has the right?

Quote:

They've been wrong on every issue in terms of remedies to our problems. They
were on the wrong side of the Cold War. They want a one world government centrally controlling all human activities with themselves in totalitarian control. That's their agenda and they'll do anything
to achieve it. To pretend they care about the poor, minorities or the disenfranshised is
ludicrous. They just exploit them to further their agenda. Liberals don't necessarily fall into that category but get used by the Left as well or act as 'dupes' for them unknowingly. Both Hillary and Obama are Leftists. That's why all the lies, deceit, flip flopping, ruthlessness and racism are to be expended. It's in the nature of the beast. Marx said, "The end justifies the means".

I sincerely mean no offense by this as I'm only trying to understand your views but it seems to me that you view the democratic candidates as surreal, larger than life, maniacal beasts whose only purpose is to destroy the democratic capitalistic society and turn it into a communistic state. That they have no feelings or intentions other than their own, and that they intend to use and betray those who entrust them. Is it possible, treading carefully here, that your comments might be a bit extreme? The reason for the question and the reason I have such a hard time going along with your views is that in this day and age, and with the structure of our government, do you really think that a democratic president in 4 years is going to accomplish any of this that can't be undone if it doesn't work? Politics are governed by re-election and we have 3 branches of government to insure the stability of government. First the congress can overrule the president. Then, if severe enough, the president can be removed. If not that extreme the nation will vote him/her out in the next election. This one election, or any other that results with the left in the white house will not result in doomsday. The information age in which we live makes it all too easy to know exactly what the president has going on. If they do something extreme, the right is going to throw a fit and make noise and people will pay attention. As you said before, we had Regan for 8 years with a gop congress there was no doomsday. We had clinton for 8 years and there was no doomsday. Only the greatest economic growth in history. (and I'd like to point out that this was likely not the result of either Regan or Bush or Clinton but the result of science and engineering coming to fruition at that time)

**SteveCallas** · **03-30-08, 07:42 PM**

Quote:

eagles wrote:

I hope you feel the same about Pat Robertsons recent comments.

Not sure how that applies?

**Richard W. Haines** · **03-31-08, 05:53 AM**

Perhaps you will at least consider the ramifications of having either party in control
of all branches of the government and switch parties in some elections to make
sure there is a split. If there is a Democrat President, make sure there's a GOP
Congress and vice-versa.

**E-A-G-L-E-S** · **03-31-08, 10:14 AM**

Quote:

SteveCallas wrote:

Not sure how that applies?

Hatred towards americans and america. I'd rather not post the hate filled words, but if you google it you'll see.
I'm very suprsied that you don't already know.

On a side note, did you guys see the opening game in D.C. last night? I think they showed I was right before about the major majority of americans being fed-up with 'W'. Nice chorus of boos from the major majority of the crowd when he threw out the first pitch. And that's supposed to be 'his' town.

**Otto** · **03-31-08, 10:40 AM**

Quote:

Richard W. Haines wrote:

the Left... Leftwing legislation......growing illegal poplulation...Mullti-culturalism...dominated by the Left...Leftwing President...Leftwing Congress...The Left...the Left...Hillary Clinton...Marxism...Karl Marx...Hillarycare...Bill Clinton...Hillary...Gore...Gore...And this guy almost became President.

Oh my, if Gore had become president. Oh no, we'd all be in such a mess. Oh wait, consider the mess we have now: fake war, poor economy, open borders, Enron crony-ism. Such good times. Good thing Al Gore isn't in office, because we've got it sooooooo good with the guy we have!

Ooops, sorry to interrupt...

Please, continue:

Quote:

...Hillary...contemporary Democratic-Socialist party...neo-communism...the Left controlling...tyranny...loss of freedom...the Dems...the Democrats...Leftwing...Obama...Hillary...racist radicals...the liberals...far Left radical... He
fired many whites...anti-semitism seem to be coming from the Left...

Am I extremist? You be the judge.

Extremist? Not sure, but it sure seems like utterly unbridled ranting to me. I've personally tried to ignore this thread, but you've really inspired me! Now, let me go see if I can find some Rush Limbaugh clips here on the Internets. Yee-haw!!!!!!

**E-A-G-L-E-S** · **03-31-08, 10:44 AM**

Seriously....what a shame it would be to have Gore as our President. An intelligent man, who reminds me of great men of our past....like our forefathers. **** left wing extremists, lol.

**Richard W. Haines** · **03-31-08, 11:15 AM**

Otto and EAGLES,

Or we should quit while we're ahead as a few of us have suggested before.

**Otto** · **03-31-08, 11:46 AM**

Quote:

Richard W. Haines wrote:

Or we should quit while we're ahead as a few of us have suggested before.

Sounds good to me!

**Richard W. Haines** · **03-31-08, 12:13 PM**

Otto,

Okay. See any good movies lately? I saw a very strange one that's a couple of years old
but worth a look if you have a strong stomach. It's called "Perfume". Don't read the synopsis
on the DVD jacket cover because it sounds rediculous and won't inspire you to watch the film.
It some kind of strange allegory, I'm not sure I understand entirely, but certainly held my
interest. I know I've commented on other posts about how many contemporary movies have
bad endings or no endings but the climax on this picture was completely unexpected and one
of the most outrageous ones I've ever seen.
It takes place in pre-revolutionary war France and involved a strange man with a unique
ability. He has a sense of smell like a canine and can make out the incrediants of any
chemical formula. He decides to create the ultimate aphrodiasc. How he does it is the
subject of the story and the impact it has on the populace is quite imaginative. Much of it
is pretty disgusting but it was an off the wall DVD. The cast is great and Dustin Hoffman
is very good in an offbeat role. Set design and camerawork really suggest the squalor of
the era, along the lines of a Monty Python film. I recommend it but I tend to like weird
films. But I suggest watching it cold turkey and don't read any reviews. It will spoil the surprises. And don't eat dinner while screening it.

**E-A-G-L-E-S** · **03-31-08, 03:26 PM**

The more you talk the more you must be right? Been fun, enjoy voting, I know I will.

**scott** · **03-31-08, 04:15 PM**

Richard

I, for one, Completely enjoy reading and following up on the posts you have made here. I have checked several other sites and cannot believe the that's being stuffed down our throats. Although I will admit I have to look up the definitions of several words, and I can't respond with clever words(I pretty much only know redneck talk)I really enjoy someone else's opinion. Great debates have gone on here.

As I said before, it only seems the people don't care because they can afford it, or it isn't affecting them or their lives personally. And that's what is wrong with Americans in general today.

**lcaillo** · **03-31-08, 04:28 PM**

There will always be those that do not care to participate and those that do not care. Remember, only a relatively small plurality was in favor of independence to start with in this country, and had you polled many before WWII the majority would have been against the war until Pearl Harbor. Even after that many were against the war in Europe.

Thank goodness for rednecks, who might be less than eloquent in debate but get the essence of what makes this country great.

While I do not agree with all of Richard's points, he has made a pretty good case for why conservatism makes sense and liberalism does not. Conservatives are more likely to make an argument based on facts and reason while liberals often respond emotionally. There is a big difference, BTW, between being conservative or liberal and being Republican or Democrat. I reject both parties, but embrace many conservative and libertarian principles.

Hooray for the Fair Tax, should we ever have the good sense to enact it.

**Richard W. Haines** · **03-31-08, 05:15 PM**

EAGLES, Scott and Icaiilo,

Thanks for your comments. Seen any good movies lately on DVD? I'm waiting for the HD DVD
of "Bonnie and Clyde" to be released. Blu-ray is out. Reviews of it's visual quality are good but
they didn't have the sound elements to remix it in stereo so it's in mono. Looking forward to
seeing it again.

**Otto** · **03-31-08, 06:28 PM**

Yeah, watched "The Number 23" last night. It was OK. It wasn't as back-to-front as "Memento," but it was trying to be as clever. Could have been worse...

**SteveCallas** · **03-31-08, 09:04 PM**

Richard, that post #178 was great, I haven't nodded my head along to a post that much ever

Are you an extremist? no. Intelligent enough to see things for what they are? Absolutely. Imagine explaining to a 'founding father' the concept that you have to hire a certain amount of minorities to work in your business even if there are more qualified candidates applying for the same position. I think they'd puke on the spot to hear that's how things work nowadays in this great country they helped forge. Oh, and Rudy was my top choice as well - he kinda seemed to give up before it even got going though....I think he lost his desire. Had he REALLY wanted to, he could have had this thing wrapped up.

Quote:

EAGLES wrote:

Hatred towards americans and america. I'd rather not post the hate filled words, but if you google it you'll see.
I'm very suprsied that you don't already know.

I don't pay much attention to radical preachers - the deal with Obama's reverend is different. Obama openly states that this man has inspired him for 20 years and that he looks to him for personal guidance. He won't distance himself from the reverend, and he only makes things worse when he makes akward comments about race. I'd love to ask Obama to define a 'typical' white person - do I fit that mold? Had a white candidate made a comment about a 'typical' black person, again, things would have gotten out of control fast.

And as I mentioned before, discovering this stuff about Obama's reverend only makes the comments his wife made a couple months ago all the more meaningful. As time goes by, I think we'll find out more on how the Obama's really feel about things, and so far, I'm disgusted.

The Clinton's have a very checkered past too though - coverups, lies, even murder. If something were to happen to Obama on the verge of a win, well, the Clinton camp would be my #1 suspect.

**lcaillo** · **03-31-08, 10:34 PM**

Suggesting that a former President is involved in murder without substantial evidence sounds like something one would expect from an angry, emotional, liberal. Don't lower your standards to that level, Steve.

**Richard W. Haines** · **04-01-08, 07:42 AM**

Otto,

I agree it was 'okay'.

**E-A-G-L-E-S** · **04-02-08, 09:35 AM**

Quote:

lcaillo wrote:

There will always be those that do not care to participate and those that do not care. Remember, only a relatively small plurality was in favor of independence to start with in this country, and had you polled many before WWII the majority would have been against the war until Pearl Harbor. Even after that many were against the war in Europe.

Thank goodness for rednecks, who might be less than eloquent in debate but get the essence of what makes this country great.

While I do not agree with all of Richard's points, he has made a pretty good case for why conservatism makes sense and liberalism does not. Conservatives are more likely to make an argument based on facts and reason while liberals often respond emotionally. There is a big difference, BTW, between being conservative or liberal and being Republican or Democrat. I reject both parties, but embrace many conservative and libertarian principles.

Hooray for the Fair Tax, should we ever have the good sense to enact it.

I couldn't disagree more.
I care so much that religious conservatives with their hipocracy drives me mad.

**E-A-G-L-E-S** · **04-02-08, 09:37 AM**

Quote:

lcaillo wrote:

Suggesting that a former President is involved in murder without substantial evidence sounds like something one would expect from an angry, emotional, liberal. Don't lower your standards to that level, Steve.

****. You do know what they say about assumptions don't you?

**E-A-G-L-E-S** · **04-02-08, 09:40 AM**

Quote:

SteveCallas wrote:

Richard, that post #178 was great, I haven't nodded my head along to a post that much ever

Are you an extremist? no. Intelligent enough to see things for what they are? Absolutely. Imagine explaining to a 'founding father' the concept that you have to hire a certain amount of minorities to work in your business even if there are more qualified candidates applying for the same position. I think they'd puke on the spot to hear that's how things work nowadays in this great country they helped forge. Oh, and Rudy was my top choice as well - he kinda seemed to give up before it even got going though....I think he lost his desire. Had he REALLY wanted to, he could have had this thing wrapped up.

I don't pay much attention to radical preachers - the deal with Obama's reverend is different. Obama openly states that this man has inspired him for 20 years and that he looks to him for personal guidance. He won't distance himself from the reverend, and he only makes things worse when he makes akward comments about race. I'd love to ask Obama to define a 'typical' white person - do I fit that mold? Had a white candidate made a comment about a 'typical' black person, again, things would have gotten out of control fast.

And as I mentioned before, discovering this stuff about Obama's reverend only makes the comments his wife made a couple months ago all the more meaningful. As time goes by, I think we'll find out more on how the Obama's really feel about things, and so far, I'm disgusted.

The Clinton's have a very checkered past too though - coverups, lies, even murder. If something were to happen to Obama on the verge of a win, well, the Clinton camp would be my

Advertisement