Creative Sound Solutions SDX10 Sub Kit

[sub_junkie]

So, considering that my room is much smaller, and not open to other areas, besides a small closet, could I expect similar room gain??

[Mike P.]

Probably, but no guarantees. How a sub reacts is different for every room. That would be another Christmas gift you can ask for, a SPL meter.

[sub_junkie]

That's what I was planning on doing
How did you know? haha

[Barumba]

Mike P. wrote:

You get a slightly smaller box since the PR's displace less than a port, no port noise, and it looks cool! I have read that some people prefer the sound of a PR compared to a ported, I haven't had enough time with the sub yet to see if there is a difference.

I have a quote to help explain the difference/advantages of the PR vs Port. It helped me make up my mind when I was deciding on my project, but not sure if it is OK to post it here. The dialogue is from another forum. I could quote it, but I think it appropriate to give credit to the source.
Is it OK, or should I drop it? Sorry, guys, just want to stay within the forum guidelines.

Thanks, and Cheers!

[fackamato]

Barumba wrote:

I have a quote to help explain the difference/advantages of the PR vs Port. It helped me make up my mind when I was deciding on my project, but not sure if it is OK to post it here. The dialogue is from another forum. I could quote it, but I think it appropriate to give credit to the source.
Is it OK, or should I drop it? Sorry, guys, just want to stay within the forum guidelines.

Thanks, and Cheers!

Forum guidelines?

Quote and give source + URL

[Barumba]

Some tips and explanations on PR vs Ported subs... source http://www.diysubwoofers.org/prd/
"Passive radiator systems are very similar in operation to ported systems. However, instead of a port, the passive radiator system uses a passive radiator (also known as a "drone cone") to extend the system's low frequency response.
The response of a passive radiator system is similar to that of a ported system using the same driver. However, the cutoff (-3dB) frequency is slightly higher, and the cutoff slope is deeper, mostly due to the presence of a "notch" in the frequency response corresponding to the passive radiator's resonance frequency. However, this notch is normally located far outside of the passband of the system, and therefore usually of little audible significance. The larger the passive radiator, the lower the passive radiator's resonance frequency (for the same target Fb), and the further the notch is out of the passband."
To design a passive radiator alignment, start with a simple ported alignment using that driver that provides the desired box size and frequency response. Then, use the diameter of your chosen passive radiator as the "port diameter", and use this to calculate the required port length. Work out the volume occupied by this port and then use this to calculate the mass of air occupied by this port. The result is the required mass of the passive radiator. If it is too small, use a larger passive radiator and repeat the calculations.

Example:

Driver:
Vas: 2 cu.ft.
Qts: 0.30
Fs: 30 Hz
Diameter: 8 in.

Ported Alignment (QB3):
Vb = 0.70 cu.ft.
Fb = 39.4 Hz

Now, we need to select an appropriately-sized passive radiator. ALWAYS use a passive radiator that is larger in diameter than the active driver, as the displacement of the passive radiator usually has to be 1.5 to 2 times that of the driver. If it's not possible to use one large passive radiator, then you can use two or more smaller ones, and tune them by working out the effective diameter from the combined surface area of the radiators.

Note that the effective diameter of the radiator is approximately equivalent to the diameter of the passive radiator's face plus 1/3 of the surround. If unsure, use the quoted Sd for that radiator, then use the following equation to determine the effective radius:

R = (Sd/PI)^0.5

In this case, we choose to use a passive radiator that has an effective radius of 5 inches (roughly corresponding to a "12-inch" passive radiator).

"Port" Radius = 5 in.
Required Port Length = 186.1 in.

"Port" Volume = (PI*R^2)*h
= (3.14 *5^2)*186.1
= 14609 cu.in. = 8.45 cu.ft. = 0.2393 m^3

Mass = "Port" Volume * Density of Air
= 0.2393 * 1.21
= 0.289553 kg
= 290 g

The passive radiator therefore has to have a weight of 290g. To achieve this, start with a passive radiator with lower mass, then add weight to make up the difference. To measure the resonance frequency of the passive radiator, install it in a free-air baffle (e.g. the box it's going in, without the driver in place), then hold a driver, driven by a sine wave generator, as close as possible to the passive radiator, then vary the frequency. At the passive radiator's resonance frequency, you should see the greatest peak to peak excursion of the passive radiator.

Like their ported cousins, passive radiator systems are much more sensitive to misaligned parameters than sealed enclosure systems, which makes their construction more difficult for the beginning DIYer. I advise that you don't attempt to build these systems, unless you're certain that the T/S parameters for the driver that you want to use are correct.

Almost any driver can be used in a passive enclosure system, however, only drivers which have a Qts value between 0.2 to 0.5 will generally give satisfactory results. If the driver has a Qts above 0.4, try using it in a sealed enclosure or single reflex bandpass system instead."

I found this quite informative, and based my decision on going with the PR on this advice.
I hope this is of some help. And like Mike said, they look cool!

[Mike P.]

Regarding tuning PR's, a inconvenience in the past with conventional PR's was fine tuning the resonance frequency which involved taking the PR out of the cabinet and adding the mass to the back side. Now, with the CSS APR's, you simply add or subtract washers to the front side, it's so simple.

I'll be rebuilding my wife's music sub this fall (her request ) that has a Mach 5 Audio IXL-15. I'll be using a pair of the CSS APR 15's to adjust the response to suit her tastes since she likes a "thump" in the 30 hz range. It will be as easy as removing washers and raising the tuning to get it where she wants it.

[Barumba]

That is definitely a handy feature, having the weights in the front. If I move my box to the TV room downstairs, I'd have to re-tune. That would mean removing the PR, adding or removing weights, then re-assemble.