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post #1 of 20 Old 12-02-08, 01:29 AM Thread Starter
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Speaker speaker, what to do?

Happy CyberMonday! (Although I missed all the deals...Sony 350Blu-ray for 100.00!!.)

JBL, Polk, Infinity Primus, Yambeka, Klipsch, and Paragigm...WOWIE!

I guess that's why they have HTiab for Home Theater for Dummies, like me. WHAT! Shoooosh, I did not say that. But, it is a lot easier just to go out and buy everything, except your missing something........uh.........the sound!

I do take credence from what I am told from you all, I appreciate the honesty and candor everyone speaks of. But I am just plain silly stupid on what home theater speakers to buy.
Ok,


This gets more interesting the more I look at potential home theater speakers. I looked at the back of the Powered Sub PSW10, and what did I see?

1) There is a Right and Left LINE IN...

2) Then there is a right and left Speaker level INPUT
and also a right and left Speaker level OUTPUT, then there are a few more switches.....Silly question, what are these in/out for if I hook up the speakers to my Onkyo 705 or 606 receiver?

I'm still sitting on the fence on whether to go with (Polks, RM10 or RM6750) or (JBL ES20, or ES30 Harmon Kardon, but 10.5lbs, and19.5lbs respectively,probably too heavy to hang on the wall)

Or Infinity Primus Theater Pack II......or some other speaker package.

....I guess it boils down to this. Best to get 3-way fronts w/89-91db sensitivity, a center speaker I've been told to match the fronts design,(((without a regular horizontal design config., because the regular loudspeaker design sounds better as a center speaker???? that's what I've heard....I don't know, I don't make this stuff up.)))

Also want to be able to wall mount, so they can't be extremely huge or heavy. Maybe max. height 10", or 11".

Don't have too much money for high end stuff, but definitely do not want Sony entry level sound either.

My friend across the street has Bravia HTiab, spent about $300.00, and those dinky little speakers are sounding, but you can't tell him that, no, I'd hate to burst his bubble.

Yes, in a perfect world, it would be so very nice to have only have ONE 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1 speaker package to choose from, but sadly, it's not.

I'm taking all of the suggestions and trying to narrow them down. Going out tomorrow and test drive a few in the sound rooms and maybe,just maybe decide. There is a Paradigm dealer nearby, I'll check it out also, hopefully, if they are good, they are not out of my price range.

Also, I'm rethinking the Onkyo SR606 for the SR705 AVR.
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Re: Speaker speaker, what to do?

Hi, first of all what is your budget? This ultimately decides what you can get.

You can mount heavy speakers you just need to ancour them properly to a stud in the wall. My surrounds weigh 35lbs and havent come down yet
I recommend staying away from the Onkyo 606 and going with a 705 or even an 805. For speakers Have a look at SVS they have some great speaker packages as well as some of the best subs available for the price.

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Onkyo 805, Yamaha YDP2006EQ, Samson Servo 600 amp
3 EV Sentry 500 monitors across the front, 4 Mission 762i's Surrounds, SVS PB13U sub, Panasonic BDT220, Harmony 1100, Nintendo WiiU
Panasonic PT-AE8000 on a 120" 2,35:1 fixed screen

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Sherwood/Newcastle R972, Mission 765's, SVS SBS02's, A/D/S MS3u sub, Yamaha YDG2030EQ
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Re: Speaker speaker, what to do?

Thanks Tony,

Is it because the Onkyo 606 is not certified THX, and doesn't have that cool blue light ring around the volume control? I agree, I'm leaning towards the 705,or the 706 anyway. What are the other plus's to help chnage my mind?

Speaking of that, is it true these AVR's have an option to switch the 8-ohm speakers in the 6-ohm speakers input? Another site said that the 805 he has, he's using 6-ohm speakers. What do you use in your system? I thought the NORM today is for 8-ohm speakers. Thanks,
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What are the other plus's to help chnage my mind?
The 706 is obviously the newer of the two and seems to be on par with features and power The 705 had some issues with lip sync and the firmware was almost impossible to update. SO if I were you I would go with the 706 over the '05.

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Speaking of that, is it true these AVR's have an option to switch the 8-ohm speakers in the 6-ohm speakers input? Another site said that the 805 he has, he's using 6-ohm speakers. What do you use in your system? I thought the NORM today is for 8-ohm speakers. Thanks,
Yes, You can use either 8, 6 or 4 ohm speakers with the 706 and above receivers however you wold have to make sure that you give it lots of breathing room as this will make it run warmer than with 8ohm speakers.
I have fairly large 4ohm tower speakers on my mains and did run it with my 805 for a short time and it had no issues but switched to an external amp just to give my system some extra oomph.
4ohm speakers are still very common with towers or floor standers as some call them. There is no real difference in sound quality between 4 and 8ohm speakers its just how they are designed generally if they have 2 or more large drivers they will be 4 ohms. A 4ohm speaker requires a more stable amplifier or it can overheat it and damage it. This is where THX certification comes in as this is a way for you to know for sure that it can drive a 4ohm load properly however there are lots of receivers that dont have the THX label on them that are more than capable of doing so. The 606 wont do a 4ohm load stable.

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Onkyo 805, Yamaha YDP2006EQ, Samson Servo 600 amp
3 EV Sentry 500 monitors across the front, 4 Mission 762i's Surrounds, SVS PB13U sub, Panasonic BDT220, Harmony 1100, Nintendo WiiU
Panasonic PT-AE8000 on a 120" 2,35:1 fixed screen

Living room system:
Sherwood/Newcastle R972, Mission 765's, SVS SBS02's, A/D/S MS3u sub, Yamaha YDG2030EQ
Yamaha KX-393 Tape deck, CDC 805 CD changer, Panasonic BD60, Sony turntable PS-T20
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If your looking for the best bang for the buck on speakers, I would def. recamend the RBH! I have the RBH SI 740 in walls for my rear right and left and the 1266 SE Stand Ups for the fronts with an MC 414 for the center channel. For the sub I bought the Sunfire Solitaire 12! These speakers all fall just a little outside your budget, but let me say this. I did two years of extensive research before buying my AV commponents and here is what I found. There is what most of us know as high end based on our experience at Best Buy's, Sound Rooms, Ultimate Electronics and so on. These stores all have what they call high end gear for a top dollar price. I almost made the mistake of making these stores the extent of my due dilligence. Then there is High end as you will only find in the custom Home Theater companys. I found a company here in STL that realy helped me to understand the difference. Then there is the designer high end that none of us can afford! Lol There is a guy by the name of Bob who works for Elegant Home Theaters out of St Louis MO. He were the one that showed me the difference between Retail Stores High End and True High End! The difference was night and day and the cost of equiptment were only a little more all things considered. I can tell you this, I am extremly happy with my speakers. The few friends I have with high end Home theaters all weep when they stop by my place! Hope this helps.
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Re: Speaker speaker, what to do?

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This gets more interesting the more I look at potential home theater speakers. I looked at the back of the Powered Sub PSW10, and what did I see?

1) There is a Right and Left LINE IN...

2) Then there is a right and left Speaker level INPUT
and also a right and left Speaker level OUTPUT, then there are a few more switches.....Silly question, what are these in/out for if I hook up the speakers to my Onkyo 705 or 606 receiver?
Don't worry about all the connections ...we're here to help.

You can use them, but no at the same time ...they have it there so you have more options to connect everything according to the equipment you own

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Going out tomorrow and test drive a few in the sound rooms and maybe,just maybe decide. There is a Paradigm dealer nearby, I'll check it out also, hopefully, if they are good, they are not out of my price range.
Don't forget to post your thoughts after the visit ...like you said: is a little confussing when you're looking for speakers, AVR's, subs, etc. but is better to take your time and purchase something good instead of buying something that you'll need to replace in a couple of months because is not what you expected
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Re: Speaker speaker, what to do?

Thanks guys! Welcome to the site Danman213

I went to best Buy and went into their "High End" Speaker room. The guy pointed out that those Line in/out is for the AVR, and those other four Inputs/outputs are for pre-amps. Then he pointed out the monster Line cable with a splitter for both the line Input/ouput for monsters price of $55.00!!!! ....speaking about LOL!

Some of the brands in there were of course Polk-Audio,and Klipsch..I saw the klipschWB14 bookshelf speaker (espresso color finish to match the new component furniture piece) but their price was $600 a pair!
I also saw Definitive technology 5.1 speaker system for $800.00,he said the 10" sub was 200w,but the center speaker was so small and funky looking.


To buy as separates...these are better than the $800.00 bundle set because the small Promo800 main's are $145.00 each,but not impressive in sound.
The PromoN1000's
Mains were $440.00 a pair.
Surrounds were $440.00 a pair.
the SubPro1000 for $500.00, and the
Center CRL2002 for $530.00,
This is about $1900.00!!!!

They also had Mirage, and yet another expensive $1500.00 for a 5.1 system,but that name escapes me.Sorry.

I never made it to the stand alone small home theater shop yet..he sells all kinds of speakers he rattled off to which I have never heard of like Paradigm to name one. I never heard him say Hsu or SVS, but for his overhead and expenses, I'm thinking he's going to be over the top for me anyway.

Best Buy does not sell Onkyo, but like the old "Good Guys" electronic stores, they push the Denons,and Yamaha's, along with the high priced Monster cables.

He was also trying to sell me a Yamaha663, instead of the Onkyo 606,or the 705 AVR. (he thought I had my BB credit card ) I decided I do not want the higher watt AVR that uses the 4 and 6 ohm speakers, I want something cooler,so I'll use the 8-ohm 606 or 706.

Another concern is speaker placement. I don't really have room for floorstanders, but maybe have to accommodate this thought because of the way this small room is laid out. Mobile home,double wide,12'x9' TV is on the long wall width wall with a door into the bedroom on the right of that wall. I could hang the speaker in the corner above the door but if I use 18 or 16 wire, it will be hard to hide around the door jam or under the carpet. I could also place the mount on a stud on the left side of the door, and on the wall, fish the wire along side the stud into the hollow wall and hope I could find it somewhere below...or just get the floorstanders. Thanks again guys.
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I decided I do not want the higher watt AVR that uses the 4 and 6 ohm speakers, I want something cooler,so I'll use the 8-ohm 606 or 706.
I'm not sure what your getting at here but anyhow any receiver that does 4 and 6ohms well drive an 8ohm speaker without any issues. The Yamaha 663 is actually a good receiver as well.

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I could hang the speaker in the corner above the door but if I use 18 or 16 wire, it will be hard to hide around the door jam or under the carpet. I could also place the mount on a stud on the left side of the door, and on the wall, fish the wire along side the stud into the hollow wall and hope I could find it somewhere below...or just get the floorstanders. Thanks again guys.
I would not use any gauge wire less than 16 and for the mains I would use 14.

I really think buying speakers on line will save you allot of money, The big box stores are over priced and dont always have the best brands. That said you can get deals from time to time and its tough to audition speakers online however most good online stores have very good return policies.

Home theater:
Onkyo 805, Yamaha YDP2006EQ, Samson Servo 600 amp
3 EV Sentry 500 monitors across the front, 4 Mission 762i's Surrounds, SVS PB13U sub, Panasonic BDT220, Harmony 1100, Nintendo WiiU
Panasonic PT-AE8000 on a 120" 2,35:1 fixed screen

Living room system:
Sherwood/Newcastle R972, Mission 765's, SVS SBS02's, A/D/S MS3u sub, Yamaha YDG2030EQ
Yamaha KX-393 Tape deck, CDC 805 CD changer, Panasonic BD60, Sony turntable PS-T20
Panasonic TC-P50ST60, HD-PVR & WDTV Live, Harmony 900

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I went to best Buy and went into their "High End" Speaker room. The guy pointed out that those Line in/out is for the AVR, and those other four Inputs/outputs are for pre-amps. Then he pointed out the monster Line cable with a splitter for both the line Input/ouput for monsters price of $55.00!!!! ....speaking about LOL!
So you went to Magnolia ...nice place, I always go there looking for some open box deals (I got my Yamaha RXV 2700 fro 399.99 originally 1200 )

Those four inputs/outputs can be used with the AVR, the difference is that you will connect from the speaker terminal on the AVR to sub and from sub you'll connect the speakers ...but is easy to use the line in (L+R) from the sub output on the AVR

Like Tony said ...stay away from Monster brand, www.monoprice is the place to get cables and speaker wire ... use the 16 or better the 14 gauge like he said (We'll help you with some ideas to hide the wires )


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He was also trying to sell me a Yamaha663, instead of the Onkyo 606,or the 705 AVR. (he thought I had my BB credit card ) I decided I do not want the higher watt AVR that uses the 4 and 6 ohm speakers, I want something cooler,so I'll use the 8-ohm 606 or 706.
Yamaha 663 is a good receiver, but Onkyo is a better bang for the buck and has a little more features ...some AVRS can handle 8, 6 or 4 ohms loads, and that doesn't cost extra, so don't worry about getting one of those AVR's.

If you want, you can also look for some used speakers, also take a look on ebay there's always good deals...
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I'm still sitting on the fence on whether to go with (Polks, RM10 or RM6750) or (JBL ES20, or ES30 Harmon Kardon, but 10.5lbs, and19.5lbs respectively,probably too heavy to hang on the wall)

Also want to be able to wall mount, so they can't be extremely huge or heavy. Maybe max. height 10", or 11".
I have some B-Tech BT77 wall mounts and they will hold up to 55lbs. I have some Klipsch RB81's mounted on them. They weigh about 30lbs and are pretty huge. The RB61 is a nice sounding speaker and run about $500 for a pair. Mated with a good sub and center (RC62) channel they would be impressive. Kef has some nice bookshelves on the market also.

I too have a friend that set up a home theater and bought a $300 Sony HTIB. He brags that it's a 1000W system and it shakes his room. He hasn't been over to see my room yet. I don't know if I want to burst his bubble either...wait a sec I do. I can't wait to see the look on his face when I crank things up and it shakes the whole house.
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