Definitive Tech Owner's Thread

**Brian Bunge** · **01-29-08, 04:14 PM**

My only knowledge of DefTech is what I've heard at Magnolia Home Theater in the local Best Buy. Of the 3 brands I listened to, the DefTech powered towers were my least favorite. The mids sounded very recessed to me, especialy with male vocals. The ML towers had good mids and highs, but no bass output, even tough they had an 8" woofer in the bottom front of the speaker. The Vienna Acoustics models sounded so much more natural and balanced than either of the other two brands there. Even my wife, who would hardly consider herself an audiophile, easily picked the Viennas as the most pleasureable to listen to. But then again, she has a good reference sitting here at home to compare them to!

**yourgrandma** · **01-29-08, 06:52 PM**

Alright, I don't know if the owners thread is the place to bash DefTechs, but W/e.

I surely like my ProTowers. And my bipolar surrounds rock.

Heres my setup in case anyone wants to see my direct radiating front stage.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...re-i-live.html

**acommonsoul** · **01-29-08, 10:58 PM**

How is the bass with the bp7006s? I am planning to purchase the 7006's, the 2300c/l/r/ and the their bipolar surrounds....I like bass but my room is kinda of small and therefore I want to avoid purchasing an additional sub if possible.

Thanks

**thxgoon** · **01-30-08, 01:53 PM**

I'll chime in....
I worked at a chain that sold DefTechs along with many other well known speaker brands and high end stuff like ML and KEF. Aside from KEF reference, the definitive bipolar speakers were hands down my favorite speakers in the store. Wouldn't consider them the most accurate, but definitely the most fun and versatile. They sound good on everything with a casual ear. I still would like to own a set of them someday.

**acommonsoul** · **01-30-08, 06:49 PM**

Thanks for the input...I think I will go with them, but does anyone know how powerful the subs are? This way I don't have to buy a separate sub.

**goatfarm** · **01-30-08, 07:15 PM**

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acommonsoul wrote:

Thanks for the input...I think I will go with them, but does anyone know how powerful the subs are? This way I don't have to buy a separate sub.

I would humbly submit that their quoted spec of 17Hz to 30kHz should be considered as -10dB points at the very least. Where their useful bass response really ends is anybody's guess. I may be biased because I have one of their stand-alone subwoofers that was rated down to 13Hz when it was in production. I have tried and tried to come close to that figure, and the best so far is flat to 20Hz, corner placement with substantial equalization and more distortion than I want. Your results may differ, but considering that you are getting the least of their powered tower line I wouldn't expect much if any output below 30Hz. And since the speakers will be out in the room, subtract a few more dB from that. If it were me I'd get the BP6s and dedicate the saved money (600 bucks) to a separate sub. Put 'em on 4" stands and they'll be the same height as the 7006s. Another DefTech beef: all the driver measurements for all their speakers are measured in inches, EXCEPT the BP6, which is metric. Why?

I have substantially more powerful powered towers, and they are set on "small" and used with a sub.

**yourgrandma** · **01-30-08, 08:29 PM**

All of definitive's response specs are really inflated. Mt PT400s are rated 19hz-30khz. I know my Klipsch RSW10 goes lower, and it's rated to 29hz.

**acommonsoul** · **01-30-08, 10:52 PM**

thanks...do u think the bp6s with the clr2002 and bipolar surrounds would be a good match? Then I could pick up a svs sub

**yourgrandma** · **01-30-08, 11:30 PM**

I think DefTechs are pretty well matched, but the best bet is to try to have all the same sized mid bass drivers across the front stage. The BP6 has the 4-1/4", right? In that case, I see no harm in using a larger driver in the center, as it helps a lot with vocals, that's why my PCC2 (5-1/2) sounds so much better than my ProCenter 100 (4-1/4"), that's the only difference.

The bp surrounds are great. Which ones were you thinking of? I think the BP2x works well for most systems on this side of sane, but I've always wanted some BPVxP's or even just BPVx's. Those powered surrounds are monsters compared to the BP2x.

**acommonsoul** · **01-31-08, 04:22 PM**

I am planning on getting the bp1x for the surrounds because the space for my surrounds is limited by massive windows. I demoed them and I really like the way they sound. I think I will go with the Bp6's with either the c/l/r2300 or 2002. I talked to my local rep at a Magnolia Best Buy and he said they can order any def tech speakers I want, so thats the way I'm going to go......Thanks for all of your help

**yourgrandma** · **01-31-08, 05:40 PM**

Congrats, I hope you like them as much as I've liked mine.

**acommonsoul** · **02-02-08, 06:19 PM**

Thanks

**Bruce Fisher** · **02-04-08, 06:54 AM**

Just adding my name to the list of owners

Have a set of BP10s, BP1X (I think) and can't remember the center channel. Produces great sound and I've been very happy with them over the years (hmmm... I guess they are close to 13 years old now?? wow) I remember meeting Sandy a few times when the company was still pretty new.

Will be rebuilding my theater soon and will probably keep them going

<edit: the BP1Xs and the center channel were purchased more recently than 13 years ago... probably 6 or 7 >

**enrique** · **02-06-08, 02:15 PM**

Hope you guys can help me out well actually a co-worker of mine.He recently purchased a complete set of def. techs. his front two are the 7004's i believe not sure but they have the blt in subs.What i think i know is to set the speakers to large have the blt in subs pointed inwards.He also purchased a seperate def.tech. sub.So i'm assuming the sep sub gets connected like anyother via subout of the rec. but how about the power towers.They are connected. via speaker wire like normal but how do you blend in the blt in subs.Basically not to get long winded(too late) what is the proper setup/settings he needs to do for his setup.I had also told him not sure if i'm right but he should also in the receiver sub settings to set it to no.Would appreciate the help so i could advise him.Hell he doesnt even know what models he has other than they are the second largest.

**thxgoon** · **02-06-08, 02:30 PM**

If he has the second largest towers they make they would be the 7001's. It doesn't really matter which way the built in subs face, though you could experiment and see if one sounds better than the other. IIRC, the tweeter should be in the inside when looking at the front of the speaker. There is a multitude of ways to set up his system, but depending on the capabilities of his independent sub he may or may not want to send LFE to the fronts. I would set up the sub to 'yes', the fronts to large and set the receiver to send LFE to 'both' sub and fronts.

**enrique** · **02-06-08, 02:36 PM**

thanks.How about the sub setting on the towers?Havent seen them but i'm assuming it's volume only.What should he do there just try to blend it in with the seperate sub?

**goatfarm** · **02-06-08, 05:41 PM**

If it were me (and I have large powered towers, just not DefTech) I would first try fronts large with sub on, then try fronts small with sub on. See what sounds best at the primary listening position. I wouldn't try to send LFE to the mains at all ever. It was always meant to be a discrete channel.

Even though my powered mains are good as gold down to 25 Hz I have always prefered the sound quality I get with them set as small and a crossover to a corner-located subwoofer set at around 80Hz. There are many threads on many forums debating this issue; but after having tried every possible configuration I decided small fronts w/ sub sounded best, even with big (such as my Infinity Interlude IL-60) powered towers. Just my humble opinion. Oh, and by the way, I want to stay thread relevant. My sub is an ancient DefTech PF-1500 with gloss black top. Using BFD it's shown me an honest 18Hz! With who knows how much THD!

Greg

**thxgoon** · **02-06-08, 10:48 PM**

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goatfarm wrote:

I wouldn't try to send LFE to the mains at all ever. It was always meant to be a discrete channel.

Discrete yes, and it still is even when it's also playing the LFE soundtrack. LFE is low non-directional bass that is and playing through your mains+sub is no different than running multiple subwoofers with all of the pros/cons that come with them. If he does indeed have 7001's he's going to need a serious subwoofer to make up for what he would lose by not using them.

Try it both ways, see how you like it. Full range + LFE is the recommended by def tech, but whatever sounds best is the proper setup.

**enrique** · **02-06-08, 11:24 PM**

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thxgoon wrote:

Discrete yes, and it still is even when it's also playing the LFE soundtrack. LFE is low non-directional bass that is and playing through your mains+sub is no different than running multiple subwoofers with all of the pros/cons that come with them. If he does indeed have 7001's he's going to need a serious subwoofer to make up for what he would lose by not using them.

Try it both ways, see how you like it. Full range + LFE is the recommended by def tech, but whatever sounds best is the proper setup.

thanks for all the responses but just to verify he bought the speakers at magnolia and i'm pretty sure that he got the 7004's since this is the second largest that they have as he said.

**acommonsoul** · **02-10-08, 12:49 PM**

one more question...would the. Bp8s be a good match with the clr2300 due to the centers 4.5inch drivers? Or would it would it be a better match with the clr2002? I am going to have a standalone sub.

**acommonsoul** · **02-10-08, 01:02 PM**

Just for everyone's information, If you go to Magnolia store, they can order any Definitive Speaker still in production, so if you are like me and have a lot of credit with Best Buy, then you can still order the speakers that you want.

**anderslober** · **02-17-08, 11:49 AM**

Hey forum....I recently got hold of a set of out-of-production PM900's........killer speakers! Massive (good) bass from a standmount........I am "purty" happy! I play alot of old funk and acid jazz.....the speakers really make smokin' room filin' sound.

**thxgoon** · **02-17-08, 12:17 PM**

Ya I remember those speakers they were some of my favorites. Wish they were still in productions. Good snag!

**acommonsoul** · **02-24-08, 09:40 PM**

Hey anyone interested in the bp2x's needs to go to the best buy Magnolia's right away. They have discontinued them at the store, but they never advertised it. So if they have any in stock, or even the display models you can get them really cheap. I got the display model for $265....if they are not the display model then they cost $299....can't beat this deal

**BleedingStar** · **02-24-08, 11:43 PM**

Just replaced an old crappy center with a nice new Def Tech CLR2300. That thing is a power house of a center speaker. I could probably watch movies with just that center channel taking all the sound it it would still amaze most people. The powered sub in the center really adds full depth to vocals tracks on both movies and music. Quite impressive. I would like to get some def tech surrounds as well, but since I am using a 7.1 system that is mean i need to get 4 of the bad boys. That will be somewhere down the line on the HT to do list.

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