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post #91 of 1088 Old 10-19-13, 10:11 AM
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Re: The Official $2,500 Speaker Evaluation / Home Audition Event

Definitely a nice line up of speakers on the docket. I'd personally love to see some GoldenEar Triton's tossed into the mix. With all the positive press on the folded ribbon tweeters lately it would be interesting to see how the group likes them compared to the Magnepan's and MartinLogan's.
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Its not easy holding such an event, so I wish you guys all the best and definitely wish for its success.
We've had a few speaker shootouts with our local group here in Manila and these events are very interesting to say the least. Normally, you can gauge which would be favorable for you from the list of speakers being tested most specially if you've heard or auditioned them before.
However, its always best to attend these events with an open mind or clear thoughts ........ treat it as if you're listening to them for the first time. Just be mindful that the same speaker will always sound differently from one place to the other - even if they were driven with the same gear.

One memorable event for me was a blind shootout between 5 different brands of bookshelf speakers wherein a large wooden frame was covered with speaker cloth so we cant see what brand is playing. Only the host knows and we all have to turn around while he does the switching. Each of us was given a paper and pen to score. When it was done and scores have been tallied, the favorable speaker will be played again - then only will it be revealed.
Everyone was so surprised about the outcome as the brand was never expected to win Thats the reason why I love attending those events. It may move you and it may not, but you always leave with more knowledge than when you came in.

I cant wait on your results and Im also eager to know how the SVS Ultra towers will score. I use SVS M series 1 for my theater and have heard/auditioned the new Ultra towers as well.

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Re: The Official $2,500 Speaker Evaluation / Home Audition Event

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Even if it's not a direct comparison between speakers, it's going to be most interesting to see an evaluation with similar criteria, equipment and ears, when auditioning electrostatic/magnetoplanar/quasi-ribbon AND traditional dynamic transducers. Even better news is the inclusion of measurements and having some context about the listening room. Combined with the subjective evaluation you're possibly offering lots of very valuable data for us people on the other side of the internet who possibly couldn't arrange any of this for themselves.

Very well said... we may need to get you to help us write these up.

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I will add to what others have already commented, I think that it would only be fair to attempt/spend as much time as reasonable, in optimizing placement. This is what a typical home owner would do with a set of $2500 speakers (For that much $$ I would spend a few days tweaking the setup, but I know that is not possible in this scenario). They will all have varying sweet spots, toe in, perhaps even height needs.

I think having a full post of the room measurements with a "control" set of speakers would be nice too so we can evaluate what the room itself sounds (or at least tests) like.

And maybe some comments on what subs/center/surround options are available or recommended to pair with the 2 channel setup?

And thanks for introducing me to the Emerald Physics line. Very interesting stuff...
Yes... we spent more time with placement on our previous evaluation that anything else. We also have ETC measurements for each speaker showing how the room interacts with the speakers.

Please be sure to tell Walter with Underwood HiFi that we introduced you to Emerald Physics... he is the owner. He will also make you a great deal on a pair.

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I hope that the reviewers take measurements using say REW and post them.
Yes... we plan to use REW.

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This is a great event, however, will this prove which speaker is truly better... Or that each speaker sounds differently? Comparing them is part of the fun of being an audiophile. The giveaway is fun too of course!
Not really (and we explain that in the first post)... the only way to prove which is better for you is to get it in your environment and listen.

I KNEW it wouldn't be long before someone would let the cat out of the bag. However, I thought it might slide for at least a few days. Okay... back to being quiet about it. Only one disqualification thus far... better odds for you others.

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What are the details of the $20,000 stereo system?
It cost $20,000... and... uhmmm... well... Now you know it's a surprise.

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Have you done shoot-outs like these where a DIYer builds a set of speakers in the same price range that are then used in shootout and compared to the retail speakers? Or perhaps a restored vintage set that were either a) the same relative cost when new adjusted for inflation - or - b) similar in cost now if you take into account finding them, having them shipped if required and then the cost of rebuilding, re-foaming, etc?
We haven't gotten there yet, but these are all possibilities for future evaluations.

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Hi Steve, I'm curious about the 'big improvement" moving from Salk's to SVS Ultras as Salks have a very good reputation on speaker building. What part was a 'big' improvement (response, detail, imaging, etc.)? I really like the SVS Ultra looks and also SVS products, so not doubting you, just that Salks are made with some nice drivers/parts also with a good designer behind them.

I'm also very interested in this evaluation! I've heard some of the speakers on the list, but not a all (such as the SVS Ultras and the Emerald Physics). This should be interesting.
yeah, this has my curiosity as well. I have the ultras as well, but I'm a little shocked to here "big improvement" compared to the salks. now if he's talking about mid/low bass extension I can see that, the ultras are packed with bass with those dual 8"s.
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SVS Ultra Towers
This is certainly an interesting list of speakers y'all are going to be evaluating.
The only pair I have ever given any listening time to is the Studio 60s and even that was just enough to move on to the Studio 100's for serious evaluation.

It was a lot of fun to read the write ups for the first shoot out (evaluation) and I am looking forward to this one too and seeing how this collection is described.

There is such a tremendous amount of real work involved in putting an evaluation like this together I really do not understand the couch critics agendas.
Having said that, maybe I am a little warped (ok maybe medium warped) but I do get a kick out of reading about all the things that invalidate a speaker evaluation and if you don't do this or that or something else then you might as well not do it at all. I just find those posts very humorous. Most people live in places with real room compromises that have to be dealt with or ignored.
Sonnie does a real good job describing his room and the setup process for each speaker. The source material used for evaluation is fully disclosed so readers can weigh it compared to their own tastes.
All in all it really does not get a lot better than the way the HTS staff does a multi speaker evaluation.

Y'all did a very good job with the shoot out reviews, easily equal to any magazine write up I have read, really looking forward to this round.

I see reviews and posts regularly claiming speaker X performs better than speakers costing $$$ more.
My personal experience does not generally support claims like this.
Keep those ARX speakers close by and if time permits throw them on the system to see how they fare against speakers at >2x the price.
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The Paradigm studios 60 columns are speakers that really set themselves apart, because for the price , they offer a listening experience that is never tainted or halftone on a particular point. The designers have managed to find one of the best compromise between minimal space for a column, and offering a rigorous diffusion for one of the best stereo image i had the chance to listen to. Budget allowing it they will be my next acquisition
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Always nice to have a wide variety of opinions when it comes to speaker selections. I know that the listeners 'ear' is always something that can differ between listeners - however, if many agree that one speaker colors the audio too much etc that is nice to know!

My Speakers in my setup are a little older - and while they work and sound great (to me) - I am sure the day will come when replacement is necessary - so thanks again for having a review like this to look forward to!!!

PS - Now I am jealous about your other equipment. :P
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Great idea folks,

I love that this isn't a shootout. Audio is such a diverse and subjective experience, I like the fact that you are force ranking them. Perhaps as a part of this you can even make recommendations as to they best applications for each speaker combo in terms of Music Genre, Theater style, etc.

I'm always bummed all these events seem to happen out east. Would love to attend something like this on the left coast

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When I was auditioning new speakers I had to drive around town. By having all these great speakers in one place is so much easier. This one store had the KEF Q900 and Studio 60's together and for me and my son the KEF's SQ was better. Then I went to the next store and it had the Studio 60's and the SQ was much better in that store. It all comes down to the room that's what I've learn in auditioning speakers. I hope you guys have a great time because I'm jealous.

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I can't wait to see the results, I have a pair of 20 year old $2500.00 speakers ( when they were new) I would live to hear the difference in modern day speakers to compare.
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