Martin Logan in the house!

**01-01-08, 03:48 PM**

I LOVE my asents (i) I would only part with them if (a big IF) there was a great buy on the ML Summits. I have been looking and lurking for the past few months.

**Sonnie** · **01-01-08, 04:05 PM**

You just missed a fairly good deal on some Summits at Audiogon.

**01-01-08, 04:18 PM**

Yup, your right sonnie, that's what I have been looking for. Summits in the 6K or slightly below area is a deal. On top of that the guy is in fl. lauderdale which is only about 30-40 minutes from me. No shipping would have also helped. I would prefer maple, but at a good price I can overlook the wood color - that's for sure.

**Sonnie** · **01-01-08, 04:27 PM**

I was just admiring and Aerius pair from a guy in central Florida for $850. The wife wants some speakers in the great room... but, that might be stretching it since we'll need a receiver as well.

**Sonnie** · **01-03-08, 01:47 AM**

Exactly... I can only afford a small receiver for the great room and no way it will do justice to the ML's. I'm more than likely going to be looking into a HTIB type setup. The Aerius ML's were merely an admiration only.

**thxgoon** · **01-26-08, 03:05 PM**

Ok Sonnie, you and few others here have piqued my interested in ML's to say the least. How do you feel about the sound of your ML's at louder listening levels, say -5 from reference? Are they pretty good with large dynamics? Thanks!

**Sonnie** · **01-27-08, 12:17 AM**

The absolute best I have ever heard... bar none! I'm telling you... these speakers are magnificent. I simply cannot imagine anything better.

Ask Rodny what he thought about them today. We mainly fiddled with setting up the system with the new NAD T785 receiver and the pair of SVS PC-Ultra subs, but he still got a pretty good listen and we cranked it on up very well.

**01-27-08, 07:00 AM**

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Sonnie wrote:

The absolute best I have ever heard... bar none! I'm telling you... these speakers are magnificent. I simply cannot imagine anything better.

Ask Rodny what he thought about them today. We mainly fiddled with setting up the system with the new NAD T785 receiver and the pair of SVS PC-Ultra subs, but he still got a pretty good listen and we cranked it on up very well.

Sonnie, you are killin me, just did the exact same thing. this set-up is actully for a home we are building in about 6 months, but why not enjoy the new Ultras now? The new room is about 100% bigger, and about 300% more c/f. This room is 14.5x19x8. The Ultra's came in friday. Played around and enjoyed them all day sat. Do you have the new pb 13 ultras or the previous ones? What do you have the cross-over set at with the asents with dual ultras in the system?????

**Rodny Alvarez** · **01-28-08, 12:13 AM**

Nice setup Jon!!

You guys are making me

, I just need to work more overtime so I can afford some Martin's

**Sonnie** · **01-28-08, 12:34 AM**

You have the perfect guy to finance them for you... who needs cash?

Jon... awesome setup there.

I have the PC-Ultra subs. They gave me a tad more room to back the ML's up a little more vs the boxes. I have the Ascent i's crossed over at 80Hz.

**thxgoon** · **01-28-08, 12:53 AM**

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Sonnie wrote:

You have the perfect guy to finance them for you... who needs cash?

I do I do! So I can finance some ML's of my own

**Sonnie** · **01-28-08, 01:13 AM**

I'm in the lending business, but only if you live in Alabama and within about 50-60 miles of my office can I be much good to you.

You could always move to Alabama, but if I lived in Colorado, I'm not sure I could leave there for Alabama... unless I lost my marbles, and then it wouldn't make much difference what speakers I owned.

**01-28-08, 07:15 PM**

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Rodny Alvarez wrote:

Nice setup Jon!!

You guys are making me

, I just need to work more overtime so I can afford some Martin's

Saw your IB pics = awesome. Very nice

I think/know you would LOVE the ML sound, if they lack anything (with the summits being the exception at around 12k) would be the low end, and I think you have that covered

The detail of the ML's is something to behold. Breth-taking highs and mids. Vocals are as REAL as, well real. They are that accurate, I biased, but honestlt with all the different changes I have made over the years I will never own mains the are box/woofer design, but that's me. The maggies (magnaplaner) are also some incredible speakers IMO.

**grapenuts** · **01-29-08, 07:11 AM**

I just bought the ascent i's with a stage center and although I'm still waiting on the center to arrive (thursday delivery time) but my gosh these Ascents are the real deal. It would be difficult if not impossible to get this much depth, imaging, and detail from a all woofer speaker at this price range IMO. GO ML...wait, GO GIANTS!!

**jerome** · **01-29-08, 07:26 AM**

Have you ever heard horn speakers? Like the Avantgarde Uno/Duo for instance?
They are more expensive than your Ascents but you can get them much cheaper when used.
I had the opportunity to listen to a very well calibrated system based on some Duo and they sound wonderful, way in front of all the ML systems I have heard.

Don't misunderstand me: ML are great, I love mine

. But we have to be realistic here: it's possible to get greater sound with different speakers too ...

**Sonnie** · **01-29-08, 11:11 AM**

I have not seen an Avantgarde speaker I would allow in my house. Those things are ugly.

(No offense to any owners we might have gracing our presence

)

**jerome** · **01-29-08, 01:53 PM**

Well, I have to admit that they are special. And their colors are not always helping either. But they deliver if you're ready to give up a lot for them.

Anyway, Martin Logan rocks !!!

**grapenuts** · **01-29-08, 09:18 PM**

Jerome,
I've heard plenty of Klipsch set ups in my day and they don't compete. But I've never heard the Avantgardes

Look, I'm not saying there aren't Woofer speakers that can match the ML's, but you show me a 5K pair of Woofer speakers that can come close, and I'd be impressed.

**jerome** · **01-30-08, 12:58 AM**

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grapenuts wrote:

I've heard plenty of Klipsch set ups in my day and they don't compete.

Agree. I wasn't really thinking of Klipsch to be honest with you

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grapenuts wrote:

But I've never heard the Avantgardes

Look, I'm not saying there aren't Woofer speakers that can match the ML's, but you show me a 5K pair of Woofer speakers that can come close, and I'd be impressed.

You can get these for 5K-6K here in northern Europe (used, not brand new):

And yes, I know: they are not very pretty compared to most of the ML

**grapenuts** · **01-30-08, 06:46 AM**

Man Jerome you were determined to show me a pair weren't you

Although I've never heard those, they look formidable. But hey, they're used for that price, My ascent i's are quite a bit less used =)

**SteveCallas** · **03-09-08, 08:46 AM**

Ok, all this Martin Logan talk here on the Shack has raised my interest to the point where I want to give some a listen. When I head back up to visit family in late April I'm going to try and stop at a ML dealer in Indianapolis and do some auditioning with Vistas. What is the general consensus on the current ML line, namely the Vistas? Two and a half years after purchasing my VR3s, I still haven't heard anything I'd want to change them for - I can't say I'm optimistic, but it would actually be pretty impressive to hear something I like better.

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out the general pricing for ML speakers - I'm hoping the Vistas would at least be less than $5,000?

**grapenuts** · **03-09-08, 11:58 AM**

vistas are sub 4K. They are pretty nice and a step above the JM Labs Focal 918s I auditioned at the same time. The vantages are the next one up the line and the additional 1K will get you a powered woofer. Some very happy Vantage owners at the ML owners forum. I personally like the look of the Prodigy/Odessey/Ascent i speakers. Bold and beautiful and I'd pit my Ascents against the Vantages any day. Now I say that having listened to the Vantages at Tweeter...vs my ascents in a much better acoustical environment

Not to mention my Ascent i's are paired with two Velo SPL1500Rs for the low duty.

**Sonnie** · **03-10-08, 12:31 AM**

If you do not end up owning ML's I would be very surprised. It is like night and day difference to me... the Boston's do not even come close. Who knows though... maybe my ears are that messed up. Something to consider though... you hardly ever see a following in speakers like ML has... witness the owners forum that is very active with loyal owners.

I think you do much better buying used myself, unless you just want new. In most cases you can find almost new ML's at great prices on Audiogon.

**superchad** · **03-10-08, 01:34 AM**

Nice system you have there, as a former owner of Electrostat Hybrids I would like to offer am idea or two to you,

I ran the Parasound amp with mine on the panel (my Innersound Eros MKIII have their own bass amp and external crossover) and was very happy with results, also I used Magnepan for surrounds and even Center and I really liked the results, the Magnepans can be purchased cheaply factory direct and swing out of the way when not in use, for the money they cant be beat. About the only rub is most recievers wont do them justice but I think most Logan owners apply seperates at that level of gear. Good luck in your search! Chad

**SteveCallas** · **03-15-08, 12:43 PM**

Though I still haven't heard a pair yet, what bothers me is the use of a single 8" driver to cover from 450hz dwn. No worse than a bookshelf speaker, but bookshelf speakers don't really cut it in my opinion when trying to reach a certain level of performance. Matched with a great subwoofer and an 80hz crossover, that 80-250hz range becomes very important. Thoughts?

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