Yet another what sub thread. Money no object, but must be suitable

**recruit** · **10-28-09, 06:48 PM**

There some speakers Jon

I just wish I had the room to accomodate such beauties

**sub_crazy** · **10-28-09, 09:06 PM**

I checked out your profile Jon, great speakers!

You are lucky though that the location where your speakers sound there best also happens to provide great bass response. I have full range Von Schweikerts for all channels except the back surrounds but in my new home I can't get the same bass response as my old home so running them full range doesn't cut it.

24 6 1/2" woofers I bet sound nice and that is one of a design. Are they 7 feet tall? Kind of reminds me of the Dunlavy designs in size.

Good stuff!

**Mika75** · **10-28-09, 11:09 PM**

Jamie, the speaker cable length is not an issue (think about that next time ur at a live concert or the Cinema) Plate amplifiers do not compare with the Pro rack mounts, & having those amplifiers out of the room looks much better IMO.

Seeing as ur in Sth Aus, why don't u pop into VAF and listen to the MBP?

**Jon Liu** · **10-29-09, 11:23 AM**

Yeah I've gotten several comments about the speakers being similar to the Dunlavy designs! Regardless, back to original poster's topic, ultimately, any of the subs that are chosen are top-choice performers. I really cannot express that enough.

**wilsonj** · **10-29-09, 05:45 PM**

Mika75, I seem to have an aversion to VAF products. Not sure I could fit the MBP in anyway, as it comes in pairs. Theres also not much info on it either. All sales talk. Thanks for the suggestion though.

I just put in an order on 1 submersive. I'm negotiating on a F113 also. As I can't decide, I'll get one of each and sell the one that doesn't suit my needs.

At this stage I think it will go like this.
Submersion- best performance, probably can't live with the size.
F113- close performance, can't live with the price but size and looks are perfect!

**sub_crazy** · **10-29-09, 06:03 PM**

Let us all know your opinion if you do have the opportunity to audition both at home. Have fun!

**wilsonj** · **10-29-09, 08:51 PM**

Yup, thats the plan, as I can't decide otherwise.

here's a thought. How about I keep em both. use the submersive for effects and get another F113, so two for L + R. The Denon AVP has 3 sub outs.......

**sub_crazy** · **10-29-09, 10:14 PM**

The more subs the merrier

**wilsonj** · **10-30-09, 01:20 AM**

Just got a ripper of a deal on a F113.

Now its just a matter of sitting back and waiting!!! Although the F113 will be available next week the submersive will be a little way off. Not sure how long it will take to freight it, but my guess would be at least a month.

**recruit** · **10-30-09, 02:31 AM**

Can't wait to hear your feedback on the subs Jamie, are you importing the F113 via the Soundoctor cause Barry Ober is a top guy?

**wilsonj** · **10-30-09, 03:54 AM**

No, I'm getting the F113 locally. They have just reduced their price by $1000. With discount its quite good, for a fathom.

Does this sound doctor have 240 volt versions??

**recruit** · **10-30-09, 04:30 AM**

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wilsonj wrote:

No, I'm getting the F113 locally. They have just reduced their price by $1000. With discount its quite good, for a fathom.

Does this sound doctor have 240 volt versions??

Ah I see, In the UK JL Audio do not have a distributor and therefore we need to use an importer and Barry does do the 240v for distribution to us, but if you can source locally then that is better..

**wilsonj** · **11-09-09, 05:03 PM**

Well I have the JL F113. Nice little sub. I was surprised how small it was. I knew the measurements buts its always different in the flesh.
So far I haven't had much time with it, and only used it with music. But its tight and fast to my ears. I did put a test disc through it with sinewaves down to 10hz. Although I haven't done any measurements I was a little dissapointed and surprised how easy I could reach the mechanical limits at 20 and 30 hz. Anything above 30 and I couldn't make it misbehave. impressive from there up.

Now just have to wait for the submersive to arrive.

**lsiberian** · **11-09-09, 05:29 PM**

Any limits you are reaching are likely from the amp not the sub driver. Those drivers can take a bridged pro-amp and they have incredibly high excursion ratings. You are simply limited by the fact they are sealed and have a weaker amp. Still I consider it a beautiful powerful well built sub. I'd be shocked if you could bottom out the driver.

**wilsonj** · **11-09-09, 06:04 PM**

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lsiberian wrote:

Any limits you are reaching are likely from the amp not the sub driver. Those drivers can take a bridged pro-amp and they have incredibly high excursion ratings. You are simply limited by the fact they are sealed and have a weaker amp. Still I consider it a beautiful powerful well built sub. I'd be shocked if you could bottom out the driver.

Hmm, well bottoming out is exactly what it seems to be doing. Looking at the JL insignia on the Sub I can gauge roughly how far the driver is moving. Looks to me about 3 inches, which is what its rated at, so I understand.

The test will be with real world signals, not test tones. It maybe very different with movies.

**dyohn** · **11-09-09, 06:06 PM**

is DIY an option? Do you have a space suitable for an IB installation?

**wilsonj** · **11-09-09, 07:00 PM**

I'd love IB, but its not possible in my room.

DIY is always an option, and has been in the past. Just couldn't be stuffed this time! I'd rather buy off the shelf nowadays.

**sub_crazy** · **11-09-09, 07:50 PM**

The F113's strength is with music and it is best run with 2 or more for movies IMO unless you have a small room and a good spot to place it.

I hope the submersive arrives soon as I would like to hear you thoughts. My guess would be an edge for music with the F113 and better movie performance with the submersive.

Have fun.

**recruit** · **11-10-09, 04:34 AM**

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wilsonj wrote:

Well I have the JL F113. Nice little sub. I was surprised how small it was. I knew the measurements buts its always different in the flesh.
So far I haven't had much time with it, and only used it with music. But its tight and fast to my ears. I did put a test disc through it with sinewaves down to 10hz. Although I haven't done any measurements I was a little dissapointed and surprised how easy I could reach the mechanical limits at 20 and 30 hz. Anything above 30 and I couldn't make it misbehave. impressive from there up.

Now just have to wait for the submersive to arrive.

Excellent news Jamie, look forward to all your feedback with comparisons to the Submersive

**Jon Liu** · **11-10-09, 11:40 AM**

I can't wait until you get the Submersive to compare too!

**wilsonj** · **11-10-09, 01:57 PM**

The submersive is still probably 3-4 weeks away. Fingers crossed it gets here before xmas!

I'm really kinda hoping that the submersive doesn't outperform the JL by any great amount, as the JL is such an impressive looking speaker! and the perfect size too.

**Moonfly** · **11-10-09, 02:21 PM**

I vote you let me know what those speakers are

, they must have 10 or 12" inch drivers in them?

On the sub front, while the SVS is excellent for depth, I reckon the others will beat in on musicality, so if thats important then I would have my decision swayed by that. As has been said before as well, placement can be everything, and I would choose a sub I could move about more easily myself. Without a demo, that would rule the big SVS out from personally. Not very helpful for choosing between the other 2 I know, but as the submersive will go deeper I would lean towards that myself.

Just what my thoughts would be.

**wilsonj** · **11-10-09, 04:05 PM**

Moonfly, totally agree about placement. It really is the key to good sub performance. Although the JL is relatively small, its soooo heavy it may as well be much bigger!!!

Size is an issue, as is quality with music. If size wasn't an issue I would probably just buy the submersives and be done with it. I will have to weigh up if the extra performance warrants the extra size I need to deal with.

**sub_crazy** · **11-10-09, 09:52 PM**

I agree that the JL is shockingly heavy for it's size. It is nice that they include those tacky gloves to move it around though.

**wilsonj** · **11-10-09, 10:06 PM**

I'm thinking I'll make a trolly to move my subs around!

The gloves are a nice touch. I would have liked diamontes in them though!

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