Subwoofer Tests - Fall 2007

[Ilkka]

mike c wrote:

maybe because they can't even serve the orders coming in ... if i were eD, i'd serve the paying customers first.

Yes, that's what they are saying. But it's slightly strange that they don't realize that a good review could boost up the sales dramatically.

[mike c]

again, why need the boost in sales, when they're 2 months behind already

maybe when they've caught up.

i do have an order with eD pending shipping costs quoted is terrible.

[Ilkka]

mike c wrote:

again, why need the boost in sales, when they're 2 months behind already

If that's how they really think, then they will never grow really large. If they have more orders than they can deliver, it means they need to expand.

[mike c]

then you'd need more capital. more capital means higher prices. higher prices mean less sales.

i think they're trying to expand. but they're doing it their way.

i think it's a business decision on their part. you and I can't second guess them on how to run their business.

also, until someone over there actually buys one, shipping back and forth is killer. i just don't see why somebody in the US can't do the same tests ...

But it's slightly strange that they don't realize that a good review could boost up the sales dramatically

one of the reasons they're backordered is because they do have good reviews from users.

[JimP]

I don't know of any business that wouldn't want more sales and expansion isn't a bad thing. It generally means you can hire people to do what the owners have tried to do themselves and more profits for the owners. What nutcase wouldn't want to do that?

They're probably more concerned that they'll loose sales if their product doesn't perform as well as others through objective measurements. If not, then why their policy?

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Ilkka wrote:

Besides the Conquest? Epik's amps are not 230V compatible, so until Chad resolves that issue, I can't test them.

When it comes to eD, their amps are 230V compatible but the "company policy" doesn't support third party/objective testing. I have contacted them several times but they are not interested in sending any of their products and thus supporting my tests in any way. Also there aren't any privately (end-user) owned eD subwoofers in Finland (at least yet), so also that option isn't viable.

You should try to push each company if you want to see their products being tested by me.

Oh, the rest of all these subs were free, I didn't know that, my bad.
Wouldn't you be able to sell any eD sub you order though? I realize that can be a pain, just a thought.

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

JimP wrote:

This raises the question of "why wouldn't a company support objective measurements". The only answer I can come up with is that it wouldn't perform as well as some of the competition and they wouldn't want that fact to float to the surface. Too bad too as I've heard some good things about eD subs.

I'm not sure about that. My A5-350 stomps in every which way my SVS 20-39PCi(i know, less power smaller driver...but same price) and it also stomps the PB-12NSD which I've heard auditioned.
The Epik's may be better, but for non-diy types it is hard to beat the performance cost of eD.
-ime

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

JimP wrote:

I don't know of any business that wouldn't want more sales and expansion isn't a bad thing. It generally means you can hire people to do what the owners have tried to do themselves and more profits for the owners. What nutcase wouldn't want to do that?

They're probably more concerned that they'll loose sales if their product doesn't perform as well as others through objective measurements. If not, then why their policy?

The way it was expressed to me was that they are afraid QC will suffer. Could be b.s., but didn't seem so.

[Ilkka]

E-A-G-L-E-S wrote:

Oh, the rest of all these subs were free, I didn't know that, my bad.
Wouldn't you be able to sell any eD sub you order though? I realize that can be a pain, just a thought.

Most of the subs I have tested have been privately owned. Only a handful of subs have been bought or loaned by the subwoofer manufacturers.

I would probably be able to sell the eD subs, but not for a full price, and of course shipping these heavy objects from the USA isn't exactly cheap.

[mike c]

JimP wrote:

I don't know of any business that wouldn't want more sales and expansion isn't a bad thing. It generally means you can hire people to do what the owners have tried to do themselves and more profits for the owners. What nutcase wouldn't want to do that?

They're probably more concerned that they'll loose sales if their product doesn't perform as well as others through objective measurements. If not, then why their policy?

they've actually hired more people, and is looking to lease some new space.

but regarding concern about losing sales because their product wouldn't perform well ... isn't that a bit too much guessing on our part?

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Ilkka wrote:

Most of the subs I have tested have been privately owned. Only a handful of subs have been bought or loaned by the subwoofer manufacturers.

I would probably be able to sell the eD subs, but not for a full price, and of course shipping these heavy objects from the USA isn't exactly cheap.

Sure would be! I wish you were not overseas as I would gladly lend you my eD.
And once againm, thank you so much for your efforts on these tests!

[JimP]

mike c wrote:

...snip...

but regarding concern about losing sales because their product wouldn't perform well ... isn't that a bit too much guessing on our part?

Guessing on my part, perhaps. But when you have a policy that discourages objective testing, what do you think most people are going to believe?

If on the other hand, a manufacturer sent a copy of each sub to Ikka for testing at no charge, we'd be complaining that they were cherry picked.

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

JimP wrote:

Guessing on my part, perhaps. But when you have a policy that discourages objective testing, what do you think most people are going to believe?

How about owners?

[chengbin]

The comments for the JL f113 is up.

[Ilkka]

chengbin wrote:

The comments for the JL f113 is up.

Well not exactly. Those are just my reply to the questions being asked. My official comments on the results are still be worked out.

[chengbin]

Please tell us when the comments are up. Thanks.

[Picture_Shooter]

Ilkka
- You think you ever would like to test the Cadence CSX-15 sub?

The amp looks like it will do 220v

Here: http://www.cadencestore.com/ProductC...&idproduct=398

I would love to see you test on this puppy.

[dieselpower1966]

does any one have the Cadence csx-15 subwoofer that Picture Shooter is talking about?

dieselpower1966

[Ilkka]

Picture_Shooter wrote:

Ilkka
- You think you ever would like to test the Cadence CSX-15 sub?

The amp looks like it will do 220v

Here: http://www.cadencestore.com/ProductC...&idproduct=398

I would love to see you test on this puppy.

If they are willing to ship to Finland and the shipping doesn't cost a fortune, it might be possible. I'll look into it.

[Picture_Shooter]

dieselpower1966 wrote:

does any one have the Cadence csx-15 subwoofer that Picture Shooter is talking about?

dieselpower1966

Here is a small review:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=973971

These are the pics / copy & Paste from original post link below:

[Picture_Shooter]

Ilkka wrote:

If they are willing to ship to Finland and the shipping doesn't cost a fortune, it might be possible. I'll look into it.

That would be sweet if Cadence will come through. Let us know what they say?

Thanks

[chengbin]

IIkka, still no comments?

[Picture_Shooter]

Been out for a while, overall; I still love my Cadence

[JimP]

Anyone else notice those spikes under the sub in contact with what looks like a hardwood floor.