Testing the water; help me get a SUB!

**Picture_Shooter** · **12-30-07, 01:08 AM**

I been thinking really hard about my "next" blind purchase for a subwoofer and since I really do-not want to demo and ship back if I hate it, I am going to let you all decide for me.

I been debating which sub is "right" for me.

The 3-sub's I am thinking hard to choose from are the following:

1. HSU's VTF-2 MK 3 Subwoofer

2. eD A2 - 300 Subwoofer

3. SvS PB10 NSD.

* I know that both the HSU's VTF-2 MK 3 Subwoofer and the eD A2 - 300 Subwoofer are 12" subs and the PB10 NSD is only a 10", but I am looking at this from price point also.

eD A2-300 = $350

HSU VTF-2 MK 3 = $499

PB10 NSD = $429

- By specs, it seems that the eD is the winner, but man it does look pretty ugly. Ok. I'll hide it in the corner.

-No but really, which of these 3- would you go for, as for price, quality, specs and performance for the money?

Here is a setup view of my theater room. It is 8.5' ceiling and this just gives you the idea on how about I plan to setup everything.

So right now I am sinking shipping so please help me find that SUB!

Thanks

**mazersteven** · **12-30-07, 09:22 AM**

Dayton T1203 12" Titanic Mk III Subwoofer

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=300-762

**MrPorterhouse** · **12-30-07, 09:56 AM**

I really can't offer up much of a comparison, but I can atest to the quality and performance of the SVS. I've got the PB10-isd(older model) and it has served me extremely well in my 19x12x8 room, which is actually an open floor plan open to my entire 1st floor and to the upstairs as well. This means this sub has pulled its weight for an unbelievable amount of cubic volume and done well. The eD is a new guy and all I have to go on is what I read on internet boards, which has been positive. The same thing with Epik subs...very good internet testimonials. HSU subs have built the same solid reputation that SVS has, so you are really getting to very similar performance levels when you stay within the similar pricing.

**mazersteven** · **12-30-07, 10:10 AM**

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MrPorterhouse wrote:

I really can't offer up much of a comparison, but I can atest to the quality and performance of the SVS. I've got the PB10-isd(older model) and it has served me extremely well in my 19x12x8 room, which is actually an open floor plan open to my entire 1st floor.

I gave a PB10-ISD to my son, and his room is larger then yours. I too will attest to it's performance. It is just amazing that this sub, at that price point, and the performance you get.

**Picture_Shooter** · **01-02-08, 03:27 PM**

Well my bonus check is in the mail.

My decision is coming up very close.

It looks like the SvS is the winner for the 3-subs mentioned above.

So that 10" is has the much UmP? I want my friends to know when that BASS hits...... they are going to look like this :raped: .......... Will that SvS open those eyes of my guest?

Also... I been working my designs and it changed some. Which do you think is better setup (picture one or two)?

(Sub will be in either the Right rear corner or in pic two rear right)

Or how how about this setup:

**eugovector** · **01-02-08, 05:02 PM**

In setup 1, you're sitting too close to your screen. Also, you'll want your audio centered in the room, not off to the right like in 2, and don't forget room treatments.

**salvasol** · **01-02-08, 05:04 PM**

I like # 1 ...

... but, SUB in the front right corner

**Picture_Shooter** · **01-03-08, 11:13 AM**

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eugovector wrote:

In setup 1, you're sitting too close to your screen. Also, you'll want your audio centered in the room, not off to the right like in 2, and don't forget room treatments.

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salvasol wrote:

I like # 1 ...

... but, SUB in the front right corner

Here:

Taking both comments into thought (above) Here is what it would look like. Sub is located in the front right corner. Above will be all my components (on the wall). Now should the sub be away from the components due to vibrations / concerns?

From a 92" screen (80" view). The eye view to screen is about 9' away. I have to leave space in the rear due to the computer armoire.

Also for surrounds, I know they are not in the correct place, but I am debating also what speakers to get. I am really thinking about those VT-12 that HSU sells. I was told these would sound great in this area. If not, I can use my old stuff. Which is this:

Speakers (rear left, right)- Polk Audio R15 w/ 24" stands)

Center Channel - Onix Rocket RSC1000 MKII (which I almost sold)

So I was thinking of keep this (above) and not getting the VT-12's and just using the R15 for rear surround, center channel; well for center channel and then shop for some towers and then getting that SvS sub.

Which way you think would be better for speakers / placements.

Thanks for all of your help. This is my 2nd chance and this time I need to get it done right, but still be in a budget to where my wife will not be mad at me for spending too much (once again).

**Picture_Shooter** · **01-03-08, 11:17 AM**

Oh............

Also keep in mind this is my back wall - behind the sofa

((Sorry for the mess. I was just vacuuming

))

- Walls just got repainted (yesterday). You also can see my ceiling mount for my projector.

**mazersteven** · **01-03-08, 05:57 PM**

Quote:

Picture_Shooter wrote:

Sub is located in the front right corner. Above will be all my components (on the wall). Now should the sub be away from the components due to vibrations / concerns?

You should place the sub in the "sweet spot". Walk around the room finding the location that the sub sounds best. Then place the sub in that location if you can.

It is hard to isolate vibrations no matter where your sub is located.

**salvasol** · **01-04-08, 06:45 PM**

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mazersteven wrote:

...You should place the sub in the "sweet spot". Walk around the room finding the location that the sub sounds best. Then place the sub in that location if you can.

It is hard to isolate vibrations no matter where your sub is located.

I agree with this ... I suggested the corner because it will sound louder (look at this link http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/sp...ment%20article) ...

After looking at your picture I noticed that you don't have a back wall ...

... I think it will be a good idea to open a thread on the accoustic section

... hopefully the experts can give you ideas on how to get the best accoustical treatment for your room ... most HT need some treatment to get the best sound

**Picture_Shooter** · **01-08-08, 09:00 AM**

All-

1st let me just say thank you for all the kind suggestions on which sub is the right choice.

As I communicated w/ both HSU and SvS which they both (sales reps) were very professional and comment on there subs it was both great choices either way.

----- BUT -----

Talking with the wife, she just said to make sure I will to be happy, very happy, with my new sub purchase / selection.
I feel that a SUB will be one of my most expensive investments minus the front projector and plays a very important role in HT setups. So I decided to UP my costs to a better powerful sub.

After reading and researching some more, I am willing to spend about $600.00 on a sub. Maybe it's not much, but too me it’s a lot!

Let me tell you what I'm looking for.

I want BASS- I’m not a bass head, but I want my HT room wooden floor on the 2nd story shake. I want it to rattle stuff on the walls. Kind of like all the vibrations I get from my old Nissan Pathfinder

.

So I ran across these two companies of "The New Boys in Town" subs.

EPIK and eD.

I notice majority of subs are ported but growing up from high school and car audio I always felt that SEALED subs pounded harder (Pounded a good word?) then the ported setups I heard in vehicles. The only key thing I knew about sealed –vs- ported was you needed more powerful amp to push a sealed box sub then you would as for a ported setup. Now as for homes it seems ported is the way alot of subs are made.

~Now Epik (sealed) makes a 15" driver

called "Valor" that I am digging, not just because it's a 15" driver, but it's sealed. Would I be happy w/ a sealed sub or would maybe a eD A3-300 (ported) be a better choice in my setup? Thanks for your input

I know by car audio that eD makes some sweet subs. I used to own two 10" (5 years ago) that I made a custom box for that eD sent to me by E-mail. Sounded great, but I just grew out of car audio. It seems that kids love breaking into cars and I just didn't want to be a target so I got out of that scene!!

**eugovector** · **01-08-08, 11:01 AM**

Why are you not considering SVS or HSU anymore? The SVS PB12NSD should fit the bill nicely.

**Sonnie** · **01-08-08, 11:12 AM**

I'll throw in my pennies worth of opinion. I have owned the Velodyne HGS-15 sealed sub, which will most likely blow away the EPIK Valor. It in no way compares to just one of the SVS ported subs I have. I believe there is no doubt that ported will give you more extension and get you closer to what you are looking for than a sealed sub will. Are you going to get :raped: with a $600 sub? I suppose that will depend on what it takes to :raped: you.

To me this is really a no-brainer (no offense intended to anyone)... the SVS PB12-NSD is probably going to get you about as close to :raped: as you will get with $600.

And if you place it in the corner you will probably see 15Hz when it's all said and done.

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Note: In-room extension, with corner placement, will typically yield 3-5Hz greater linear extension than indicated. Results will vary based on room size, seat distance from your SVS, and subwoofer location.

**funky_waves** · **01-08-08, 11:42 AM**

We have a demo 38" FW12.1 on sale right now, and you can either buy your own amplifier or for $599 I will include a Reckhorn A-400

**Picture_Shooter** · **01-08-08, 11:46 AM**

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eugovector wrote:

Why are you not considering SVS or HSU anymore? The SVS PB12NSD should fit the bill nicely.

Oh I am, just trying to keep the options open (still)

I was considering the PB10NSD, but saw here that the points were little low, then the PB12NSD was only 3-points higher. I think a 12" is the lowest I will consider.
Dang- I just wish I can hear them before a buy. I would not mind a demo, but shipping it pretty pricey on subs if I don't want it

Here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...36#post9164136

Copy / paste from AVSforum:

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Epic Valor

Listening results: The Valor is a subwoofer which will be the answer to many budget audiophile's dreams. It is an exceptional musical performer from about 18 Hz and up, with a very agile presentation of bass at all times. In our smaller basement theater, using a pretty good high end set up, it amazed listeners in its presentation of the Steely Dan 2AN disc, and also with its slam for HT. It is not an SPL monster like the Castle, but in the right room, it is magic.

Measured Results: 20 Hz... 99 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 109 dB

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SVS PB-12 Ultra

Listening results: A terrific subwoofer considering its 2002 design. It remained competitive in the $1200 - $1500 arena until 2007, when it was replaced by the PB13-Ultra. The "old" Ultra was at one time a standard bearer for performance, and remains a solid mid pack subwoofer today.

Measured results: 20 Hz ... 102 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 109 dB

It seems that the PB12 ULTRA is a mighty sub... but the $$$$$$$

------------> I don't know but by specs (of course room makes all the difference) that Valor is no push over, even compared to the PB12 Ultra.
----> but, then again, it's for HT and not music

**Picture_Shooter** · **01-08-08, 11:47 AM**

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funky_waves wrote:

We have a demo 38" FW12.1 on sale right now, and you can either buy your own amplifier or for $599 I will include a Reckhorn A-400

I never heard of this company. Honestly, this is the 1st time I ran into your site. I like the price.

Hummm

**funky_waves** · **01-08-08, 11:53 AM**

We have been around for a while doing custom work localy and about a year ago opened up into the world market, and three months ago we started advertizing on the Home Theater Shack Banners. For the regular price the 12.1 is very competative, and for the sale price should be very hard to beat.

**Sonnie** · **01-08-08, 12:46 PM**

That's an excellent price for a sonosub with that driver... definitely worth considering.

As far as that point system...

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SVS PB12-Plus/2 ($1299 ID): 87 points
SVS PB12-NSD ($599 ID): 86 points

1 point would indicate these subs are practically equal. So, did SVS shoot themselves in the foot by making a sub that would perform equally to one of their current models for less than half the price? It looks like they did.

**Picture_Shooter** · **01-08-08, 12:51 PM**

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Sonnie wrote:

That's an excellent price for a sonosub with that driver... definitely worth considering.

As far as that point system...

1 point would indicate these subs are practically equal. So, did SVS shoot themselves in the foot by making a sub that would perform equally to one of their current models for less than half the price? It looks like they did.

U got me. I didn;t even see the PB12 NSD.. I must of over-looked it

... but yea... looks like they did.

But maybe it's the cabinet on the Ultra is why it cost $700 more?

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