Home Theater Shack Forums
Home About Us Rules Register Gallery Glossary FAQ
Banggood.com Emotiva is your Home Theater Component Source for Audiophile Quality Home Theater Equipment at Factory Direct Prices Epik Subwoofers manufactures world-leading high performance subwoofers for die-hard home theater and music enthusiasts who won't settle for anything less than the best. Value Electronics: A trusted retailer and custom installer that specializes in whole-house audio, home theater, Plasma, LCD, LED, HDTVs, Blu-ray and more. RAM Electronics: Audio, Video, Home Theater and Computer Cables. Parts Express: Excellent Source for DIY Speaker and Subwoofer Projects! StereoList Shop Amazon! SVSound Creative Sound Solutions: Loudspeaker kits and components for subwoofers, midwoofers, woofers and full range speakers! Chase Home Theater: Ushering a new generation of super charged home theater equipment. GIK Acoustics: Home audio acoustics at its best... especially when you have help from the owners right here at the Shack!  Check out their very affordable acoustic panels! Visual Apex: The most competitive pricing for home theater projectors... and built on customer satisfaction! Reliable Hardware: A Reliable Source for Case, Cabinet and Acoustical Hardware! Discount Merchant:  If you need a replacement bulb for your video device... look no further... save big! Ultimate Home Entertainment: Providing home theater seating and accessories such as popcorn machines and signage... at very affordable prices! Genelec: Active Speakers and Speaker Systems SpectraCal: Specializes in the tools and training necessary to achieve images representative of the content creator’s intent for viewing environments.

Room EQ Wizard
Go Back   Home Theater Forum and Systems - HomeTheaterShack.com > General Shack Area > Home Theater, Audio and Video News
Forgot Password?


 Reply     Post New Thread
Views: 2296 - Replies: 4  
Thread Tools
Old 07-28-06, 08:08 PM   #1
Senior Shackster

Wayde's Avatar
Wayde
Since: Jun 2006
Posts: 557
Waterloo ON, Canada
My Photos
  Wayde is offline    
Post A look at High End Hi-Fi




I had an interesting chat yesterday with my local high end audio dealer. He has a store in town called Soundstage that specializes in really esoteric high end stuff. His store carries names like Conrad Johnson, Martin Logan, Arcam and a whack of others I've never heard of. Among the listening rooms are severely exotic kits with tube amps and alien looking speakers. Total cost for some of these systems rival a modest home.

I've always had mixed feelings about this price point. I can put my finger on a dollar value of diminishing returns way way below this price point to be sure. But at the same time I highly respect the stuff, it's just cool. But, I hold proudly to my entry level cut-above-the-stuff-from-the-big-box-stores level.

We spoke about the kinds of customers he gets that buys high end. I know he must see all kinds and can accurately profile most people who walk in.

According to him the kind of people who spend $10,000 on a single component are mostly doctors. We live in a high tech area. The small city where I live is stinking rich with software, Blackberry, search, database and Internet money. Not surprisingly it seems that technology and engineering types aren't as taken by the seriously high end audio. He's had one of the RIM's CEOs in his store (there are two of them and I didn't ask which one). Apparently he has some high priced audio gear in his home but strings it all together with low end wires and cables. Apparently he refuses to believe there are any gains to be made from higher end cables. It's a contention with which I would agree in an empirical sense.

However - if I had a $5K DVD player hooked up to my $10K surround processor / pre-amp… something just doesn't feel right sticking Radio Shack cables between them. I know that blind A/B/X testing demonstrates people just can't tell the difference. Maybe that makes me a sucker, but I think I'd buy at least slightly more expensive interconnects and speaker wire anyway, even if it were simply an esthetic.

Psychoacoustics

I know I've heard the term before in talks of objective vs subjective hi-fi. Perhaps some would say it's just another name for psychological, similar to psychosomatic illness suffered by children who don't want to go to school on Monday morning. But in our conversation he made valid points about what makes us like one sound over another. What makes us prefer a given sound quality may have nothing to do with the audible frequency ranges or other quantifiable criteria. I suppose it's the classic subjectivist argument of perception being reality, something I reject philosophically. But I remain open minded enough to take a listen.

And that's what it comes down, something the local hi-fi guy (a subjectivist) and I (a self-styled hi-fi objectivist) unquestionably agree upon. It's all about listening and only your ears should decide what you really like.

Link To Original Article



Wayde

Forum Rules Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-06, 09:56 PM   #2
Praetorian
Inactive

Posts: n/a
    
Re: A look at High End Hi-Fi


http://www.csicop.org/si/9505/belief.html

Interesting article, covers the psychological side fairly well.


Forum Rules Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-06, 01:19 PM   #3
Senior Shackster

Wayde's Avatar
Wayde
Since: Jun 2006
Posts: 557
Waterloo ON, Canada
My Photos
  Wayde is offline    
Re: A look at High End Hi-Fi


That's an excellent article. I find this topic fascinating. The document reminds me a lot of reading from the Skeptics Dictionary.

It's interesting "The Yearning Unit" probably accounts for belief in superior cables, as well the faces on Mars.


Wayde

Forum Rules Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-07, 10:35 PM   #4
Australian Contingent
Platinum Supporter


John Simpson's Avatar
John Simpson
Since: May 2007
Posts: 254
Hobart, Tasmania
  John Simpson is offline    
Re: A look at High End Hi-Fi


Wayde, there's certainly a lot of psychology involved in buying expensive equipment, especially whn the returns you get from the performance decay exponentially. It's much like buying a Mercedes over a common family car: they both do exactly the same job, and the difference you get in the quality of equipment is rarely worth the cost of the additional equipment itself.

In economics we call it "opportunity cost" -- the intangible feeling you get from owning something that you value highly. I bought a Denon DVD-5000 for $5000 that won't play scratched DVDs (whereas our chipped XBox will!) -- but *knowing* that I have one of the world's most desirable DVD players (well, it used to be at least) gives me an inflated feeling of value.

There is a drawback to buying high-end equipment, though. Even though the improvements may be minimal, you eventually learn to recognise them. Going backwards in price-bracket as technology advances is usually impossible!

(I'll have to make sure my wife reads this )


Forum Rules Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-07, 01:50 PM   #5
Senior Shackster

Wayde's Avatar
Wayde
Since: Jun 2006
Posts: 557
Waterloo ON, Canada
My Photos
  Wayde is offline    
Re: A look at High End Hi-Fi


Thanks johnson4.

I agree with you. The more expensive piece the DVD-5000 probably looks a lot nicer than a cheapie DVD player. Also the Denon will definitely last you longer. To some that might not be such an advantage if you've bought a bargain basement DVD player you obviously don't expect it to last you decades and you probably plan on replacing it sooner.

Changing technology means this is a fair consideration. I spent too much money on a Dolby Pro-Logic surround processor back in the early 90s, it was made by Adcom. It was a nice unit and gave me years of service. Today it sits in my basement looking for a new owner if someone wanted it. On the other hand I have a two channel NAD amp that is of the same vintage as my Adcom and I am still using it. The simple job of a power amp will never go out of style. I'm glad I spent a little extra on the amp and got one I'm still glad to use today.


Wayde

Forum Rules Reply With Quote
 Reply     Post New Thread     Back to Top of Page


« Home Theater Shack > General Shack Area > Home Theater, Audio and Video News »

« Previous Thread   Next Thread »

Bookmarks

Tags
end, hifi, high
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads... You may not post replies... You may not post attachments... You may not edit your posts

BB code is On... Smilies are On... [IMG] code is On... HTML is not allowed!
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off







Bookmark and Share


Parts Express: The #1 Internet source for all your DIY and electronics needs!

Ultimate Home Entertainment

This site is best viewed with a screen resolution width of 1280 or higher!




Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2006 - 2012, Home Theater Shack, LLC.
John Mulcahy and Sonnie Parker - ALL RIGHTS RESERVED!






Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO