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post #11 of 101 Old 07-08-14, 12:03 AM
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I'll just continue to use and enjoy my 809 as long as it lasts. I've had zero problems with it so far and had Onkyo not dropped Audyssey I would have had no reservations about purchasing another AVR from them. As long as it's still available the next AVR I purchase will have XT32 so it does appear I'll be switching brands.
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Re: Onkyo Hits the Summer with High-End Gear (TX-NR3030, TX-NR1030, PR-SC5530)

It's interesting that one of the more common knocks on Pioneer's excellent MCACC suite has been the lack of sub EQ. This year, for the first time, Pioneer introduced sub EQ (limited, yes...but they are working in the right direction)...Onkyo is currently working through a deal to acquire a majority holding of Pioneer...and Onkyo's 2014 class dumps support of sub EQ.

I don't think anyone saw this coming...

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Re: Onkyo Hits the Summer with High-End Gear (TX-NR3030, TX-NR1030, PR-SC5530)

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At this point Onkyo’s decision to remove Audyssey from its AV gear is old news;
What? Not to me it wasn't!

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I for one dislike the fact that the "accuEQ" only touches the soround channels. I think there are very few gains by doing this as I would much prefer it if they EQed the front three channels and the sub and did nothing on the soround ch's.
I totally agree, that seems like a strange place to focus. Changing only the surrounds seems to me more like an ambiance mode than actual room correction, since it leaves the main sources untouched. I'm confused by this.

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I for one dislike the fact that the "accuEQ" only touches the soround channels.
According to the Onkyo website, they also EQ the centre channel. It is only the L/R channels and subwoofer output that are not EQ'd.

The way it does the surrounds is unfortunate, using one EQ curve for all 4 surround channels (must be based on averaging the surrounds). That leads me to believe they are not really interested in correcting peaks & dips in each channel as much as conforming the surrounds and centre to the uncorrected L/R speakers. More like using EQ for tonal consistency (timbre matching) than traditional room correction.

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In order to run both Atmos and Audyssey, they would have to double the number of DSP chips from 2 to 4. Denon bit the bullet and did exactly that. Onkyo kept their receivers at 2 chips, Audyssey had to go. So it came down to money, though not the Audyssey licensing fee as some had suspected.
I agree. In my first post I mentioned that for Onkyo it was the bottom line. I would rather they use more chips and charge more than to take away something that as far as I am concerned was one of their best options.

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I would rather they use more chips and charge more than to take away something that as far as I am concerned was one of their best options.
Agreed, it's not an either/or situation. I wouldn't want object-based audio of that audio was full of peaks & dips.

Still, after Audyssey being in the market for so many years, it feels strange to see them only have one major customer (D&M). How could they let this happen?

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Agreed, it's not an either/or situation. I wouldn't want object-based audio of that audio was full of peaks & dips.

Still, after Audyssey being in the market for so many years, it feels strange to see them only have one major customer (D&M). How could they let this happen?
Good point...!?
Maybe they were charging to much for the use of their algorithms....

Either way maybe I'll try the anthem..... I've been curious for a while

Eq-ing the surrounds is a Sony option... and they at least gave you 3 different Eq choices not 1
Onkyo must be using the money to buy Pioneer

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I pretty much agree with all you guys too. Jbrax, I think skipping THX cert would be worthwhile if it meant keeping Audyssey, and maybe adding xt32 to lower tiered models(not sure how that would play with the new audyssey level system though).
THX gets you pretty much nothing anymore that you can't get another way. THX-specific processing is largely duplicated by other means. THX certification used to be some sort of quality assurance, but one of the highest quality product lines (Denon) hasn't had a THX product in years.

The Onkyo decision is misguided, if guided at all. Apportioning DSP resources to Atmos over Audyssey? The facts are, very few will add Atmos speakers, or even know what it is. Audyssey benefits everyone, regardless of channel count. It's just dumb to take a giant step backwards and make room for something that's not even reality yet.

I'v'e set up Yamaha, Sony, Pioneer and several flavors of Audyssey. None come close to the current X32 version of Audyssey, and some (Sony) are a total joke.
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Completely agree!
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THX gets you pretty much nothing anymore that you can't get another way. THX-specific processing is largely duplicated by other means. THX certification used to be some sort of quality assurance, but one of the highest quality product lines (Denon) hasn't had a THX product in years.
THX is still meaningful. Onkyo has always done much better in bench tests and particularly the Ultra 2 certification is not easy to achieve. Onkyo has had it's HDMI board issues but their amp section has always been the cream of the crop.

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