RaZorTT's Theatre Build

**bpape** · **08-20-09, 10:27 PM**

That is good service

3" deep is about as good as you'll get. I have a 4 zone in a 3" deep box and we had to be very careful about laying the wires the back just so, so that it would fit in the box right. We didn't tag all the grounds outside though.

Bryan

**Prof.** · **08-21-09, 07:42 PM**

Quote:

raZorTT wrote:

Hi Prof,

No I bought it from the UK.

http://www.mr-resistor.co.uk/

They have a fantastic range of lighting products. I'm considering some of the LED ropelight for my light tray and step lights. Their customer service was excellent and they dispatched it within 2 hours of me ringing my CC through. It was in Sydney waiting customs clearance on Monday after me ringing through the Thursday night.

Cheers,
Simon

Good stuff!..
Thanks for the link..They have some really nice gear..

Good to hear that you got good fast service as well..
Always handy to know who you can rely on with OS sellers..

**raZorTT** · **08-26-09, 01:15 AM**

Quick update,

I had the electrician round this morning to take a look at the grafik eye.
He was pleasantly surprised with how easy it looked. Hopefully he doesn't eat his words

I just noticed that the lights I have to go into the ceiling are 12V, not 240V like I thought.
I need to do a bit of research to confirm the GE can dim a 12V lights. I'm pretty certain it can, but need to find out more details. At the same time i'll see what it can do with LEDs.

Electrician should be back in about 2 weeks to install it, which gives me a bit of time to work out where to put it

Cheers,
Simon

**raZorTT** · **08-26-09, 01:18 AM**

Also the fidelio velvet I ordered with jason_IB arrived in Melbourne yesterday. Hopefully it's being picked up by the couriers this afternoon and might make it to me by Friday. Fingers crossed.

Cheers,
Simon

**Prof.** · **08-26-09, 07:26 PM**

Simon,

Is that the US Fidelio velvet you bought?..If so, how long to it take to arrive?

**raZorTT** · **08-26-09, 08:03 PM**

Hey Prof,

Yep it's the velvet from the US. It only took 6 or 7 days to get to Melbourne. Was pretty quick once it actually got shipped. They sent it via fedex. I think it was about $500USD shipping for the two rolls

Wonder how it stacks up against the velvet in Al's (I think) thread. Not sure that the fidelio would be AT though.

Cheers,
Simon

**Prof.** · **08-26-09, 08:28 PM**

Quote:

raZorTT wrote:

Hey Prof,

Yep it's the velvet from the US. It only took 6 or 7 days to get to Melbourne. Was pretty quick once it actually got shipped. They sent it via fedex. I think it was about $500USD shipping for the two rolls

Wonder how it stacks up against the velvet in Al's (I think) thread. Not sure that the fidelio would be AT though.

Cheers,
Simon

6 or 7 days turn around is very good..
Wow!!..$500USD...That's a lot of velvet!!..How many metres did you get!!?

**raZorTT** · **08-26-09, 08:31 PM**

About 25m on each roll.

It's the volume that hurts shipping wise.

Actually while I think of it. Do you think it's still worthwhile to treat the ceiling first reflection point if the panel is covered with velvet instead of something like GOM?

Am I wasting a sheet of ultratel by putting it behind velvet?

Cheers,
Simon

**Prof.** · **08-26-09, 08:42 PM**

Simon,

I would think that the ceiling reflection point should be treated similarly as the sidewall reflection point..
In which case I wouldn't use the velvet (unless it has an open weave) the GOM would be more appropriate..or of course Al's velvet..and definitely put some Ultratel underneath..Just like a sidewall acoustic panel..

**raZorTT** · **08-26-09, 08:54 PM**

I'm not sure how open the weave is. I suspect not very

I guess i'll just have to try the old breath test once it gets here

I don't really want to have the majority of the panels covered in velvet and a couple covered in GOM. The colour difference would stand out like.. well you know.

Simon

**Prof.** · **08-26-09, 09:34 PM**

Hang on a minute..Are you planning on covering ALL your acoustic panels with this velvet?
If it's not open weave leave GOM is, you won't get the full absorptive effect from the ultratel..

**raZorTT** · **08-26-09, 09:37 PM**

Quote:

Prof. wrote:

Hang on a minute..Are you planning on covering ALL your acoustic panels with this velvet?
If it's not open weave leave GOM is, you won't get the full absorptive effect from the ultratel..

Hey Prof,

No, the velvet is to cover my star ceiling panels on the ceiling. I'm in the process of ordering some GOM from bpape for the walls

Cheers,
Simon

**Prof.** · **08-26-09, 09:42 PM**

You had me worried there for a moment..

How far back from the screen will the star ceiling start?

**raZorTT** · **08-26-09, 10:00 PM**

The panels will start about 1m from the screen surrounded by a soffit and light tray.

Simon

**Prof.** · **08-26-09, 11:11 PM**

Simon...correct me if I'm wrong..

There will be a soffit/canopy above the top of the screen, extending approx. 1M. out..followed by the star ceiling panels..which will be suspended out from, and above the canopy.?
I presume that you're also planning to put some downlights in the canopy as well?

If this is the case, then it may not be practical to have a ceiling acoustic panel..
I would suggest that you cover the canopy with the velvet,(or at least the underside) which will reduce any light reflections..and of course filling the canopy with pink bats.. but other than that, I think you'll be fine..

The suspended star ceiling itself will also work as a type of acoustic barrier, so I don't think you'll need anything else..

**raZorTT** · **08-26-09, 11:29 PM**

Thanks Prof.

That's pretty much exactly what I am planning (I think

)

Here's a mockup of the soffit framing Soffit frame

The false screen wall will be on the left of the pic and will extend from the stage to the bottom of the soffit. As you suggested i'll be stuffing it full of pink batts or equivalent

These are the downlights I plan on using. If you look on the sides, the mesh angles that sit on top of the plasterboard ceiling are adjustable so I should be able to lower them so they are flush with the star panels

Main downlights

The lights are just back from where the first reflection treatment would end. I already think the system sound good in a few of my tests so once I get the majority of treatments done I probably won't notice if there isn't any on the ceiling.

Thanks Prof!

Simon

**Prof.** · **08-27-09, 07:05 PM**

That's some pretty fancy lighting..

Are they set up in banks of 3, or can they be separated..?

**raZorTT** · **08-27-09, 07:42 PM**

On the back/top each fitting has it's own connector so you could wire up each light individually if you wanted.

They're low voltage fittings which means I have to get a transformer that will work with the grafik eye. Magnetic low voltage transformers appear to be hooked straight in. Where an electronic low voltage transformer needs an interface between it and the GE.

I might leave that decision to the electrician

Cheers,
Simon

**albriscoe** · **08-29-09, 10:50 AM**

Hi Simon

thats one great looking HT your building there, with regards to the velvet and I know you have yours now please ask me if you want a sample of the Devore sending over for comparison and I `ll send you some.

The lighting you have chosen is excellent as well, the Lutron stuff is very good. I used ILight in my house build which we found is brilliant as well, very controllable with colour touch screen interface. Each room has at least 8 different lighting scennes all of which are programmable

You buy dimming racks to suit your needs and all external wiring is Cat5 so very cheap to first fix.

Anyway looking really good cheers Al

**raZorTT** · **08-29-09, 06:21 PM**

Quote:

albriscoe wrote:

Hi Simon

thats one great looking HT your building there, with regards to the velvet and I know you have yours now please ask me if you want a sample of the Devore sending over for comparison and I `ll send you some.

The lighting you have chosen is excellent as well, the Lutron stuff is very good. I used ILight in my house build which we found is brilliant as well, very controllable with colour touch screen interface. Each room has at least 8 different lighting scennes all of which are programmable

You buy dimming racks to suit your needs and all external wiring is Cat5 so very cheap to first fix.

Anyway looking really good cheers Al

Thanks Al,

I Appreciate the kind words

Things are moving very slowly at the moment

Thanks for offering to send a sample of the velvet, I think i'll take you up on it.

I've never heard of Ilight, it looks the goods. A similar setup to Clispal and Dynalite here in Australia. Are you able to program it yourself? Clipsal and Dynalite require the installers to do the programming

Cheers,
Simon

**albriscoe** · **08-30-09, 11:25 AM**

Quote:

raZorTT wrote:

Thanks Al,

I Appreciate the kind words

Things are moving very slowly at the moment

Thanks for offering to send a sample of the velvet, I think i'll take you up on it.

I've never heard of Ilight, it looks the goods. A similar setup to Clispal and Dynalite here in Australia. Are you able to program it yourself? Clipsal and Dynalite require the installers to do the programming

Cheers,
Simon

Ilight is very good Simon albeit a liitle expensive if I`m honest

Its easy to program if you are a scientist

which I aren`t so we did a deal when ordering as my son installed it for a client and we got it done for free and a teaching course for my son at the same time. I seem to remember that programming alone was around £1000 and the Ilight kit alone was about £9000 then discounted to £6500 which is still a fair old chunk or money.

Send us your address via pm and I`ll get the sample to you asap.

cheers Al

**jasonmac** · **09-01-09, 06:57 PM**

Hi Simon,

I've enjoyed reading your build.

Do you have a floor plan of your house? I'm interested in seeing how a HT extension fits in with the rest of your house. I'm thinking of purchasing within the next 6 months and would like to do something similar.

Cheers,
Jason

**raZorTT** · **09-01-09, 07:33 PM**

Quote:

jasonmac wrote:

Hi Simon,

I've enjoyed reading your build.

Do you have a floor plan of your house? I'm interested in seeing how a HT extension fits in with the rest of your house. I'm thinking of purchasing within the next 6 months and would like to do something similar.

Cheers,
Jason

Hi Jason,

Thanks, hopefully you have taken something away from it

I don't have a floor plan handy, but it wasn't anything too exciting. We literally just built the room onto the side of the house. The floor level of the existing house is around 600mm off the ground so that gave us the opportunity to drop the floor level (and raise the ceiling a fraction) in the theatre to achieve a 3m ceiling.

Once we had the room built I decided it would be easier if the riser matched the floor level in the existing house.

Does that make sense? Was there anything in particular you wanted to know about?

Cheers,
Simon

**jasonmac** · **09-01-09, 08:05 PM**

No, that's good info thanks

. I'm just trying to come up with a list of things I need to look out for with my house purchase.

**raZorTT** · **09-01-09, 08:23 PM**

One thing to keep in mind is the boundaries on your potential block. I would have liked to make the room 1m longer, but wasn't able to due to boundaries.

Simon

Advertisement