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post #121 of 793 Old 02-25-14, 04:43 PM Thread Starter
 
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A floorplan of the room might help with the HVAC plan. I can't really picture where everything's going to go.
I am going to see if I can draw something up today...

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The Hilti seem to be the best price in quantity.

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The red outline is the HVAC hoses... The one running from the rear of the theater toward the front along the wall is 2' diameter and close to the ceiling. The smaller one comes out of the wall below the 2' one and goes up to the ceiling and then splits to go to 2 different vents for our MB.

The orange part toward the front of the theater is the AT screen. I am now also wondering if the speakers will be ok being off center in the rear... They are centered on the seating only. I might be able to get a little bit more room by moving the seating up , but I would need to move it up another 1-2' which would bring my front row to 11-12' from the screen.

The other options would be...
1. Make the La Scalas the surround side channels on the floor, and the 3002s the rears (which could then go on the rear wall close to the ceiling, and be centered properly).
2. Hang the la Scalas from the ceiling on the rear wall with one being over the entrance door (then they could be in the soffit).

Does this make it more clear?

Any ideas?

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I drew this up today to hopefully explain the problems better and also updated speaker placement possibilities. I am not sure where the side surrounds should go, and I left out the height channels for the time being.

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Top view...


All the big horns are up front and the HIPs, and 3002 would be in the Side Surround or Rear Surround positions.

Iam thinking we might have to build out around the AC ducting and then do the double drywall , GG around it. I am also thinking a wide soffit around the whole viewing area of the room in which I could then put all my lighting and maybe put my speakers in also. Would it be ok to put the Klipsch KP3002 speakers on their sides and angle downward?

I think if we needed to we could raise the rear platform up a few more inches but not by much as we are pushing 7' of clearance now without a soffit.

Any suggestions? Is this easier to understand our problem?

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The red outline is the HVAC hoses... The one running from the rear of the theater toward the front along the wall is 2' diameter and close to the ceiling. The smaller one comes out of the wall below the 2' one and goes up to the ceiling and then splits to go to 2 different vents for our MB.
If those two 12" ducts each just supply one vent each, I don't there would be any balance issues caused by rerouting them along the perimeter and then between the joists to where they need to go. Ideally if there's room in the mechanical area behind the left wall on the floorplan. Otherwise they would need to run alongside to the 2' duct inside the theater, making the soffit on that wall wider.



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If those two 12" ducts each just supply one vent each, I don't there would be any balance issues caused by rerouting them along the perimeter and then between the joists to where they need to go. Ideally if there's room in the mechanical area behind the left wall on the floorplan. Otherwise they would need to run alongside to the 2' duct inside the theater, making the soffit on that wall wider.

Thanks, We are going to look into some flex ducting to re route the HVAC runs you marked. The even bigger mess is going to be the 24" inch duct that the 12" duct goes around, which makes a 36" intrusion into the room at around 5' from the floor.

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Thanks, We are going to look into some flex ducting to re route the HVAC runs you marked. The even bigger mess is going to be the 24" inch duct that the 12" duct goes around, which makes a 36" intrusion into the room at around 5' from the floor.
5 feet? Ouch. Well the first thing I'd recommend is to tear out the drywall in that doorway to the mechanical room, and possibly make some changes to the framing there in order to raise that big duct up as much as possible at the low point where it enters the room. The other thing that would likely help you the most would be to replace it with some rigid rectangular ducting, that can be wider and shorter than round ducts, and remove all the insulation. Since the duct will be covered in drywall anyway, the insulation won't be necessary.


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I will see if we can rip out the drywall today to see how we can re route the ducting. A friend is coming over this weekend that does HVAC installs to assess the problem and we might also get a new furnace as the one we have now is around 15-20 years (or maybe even older). From what I understand we most likely have too big of a furnace to boot since that was the practice back then. I am hoping we can replace it with a quieter, more efficient, and smaller unit which might also help with the ducting routing. I also have a Aprilaire 4 zone HVAC controller BNIB that I would like to install. I think this will also allow us to go even smaller on the HVAC or at the very least lower our monthly heating bills more.

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Another question: If I build a cubby hole for the audio rack... How do I keep it cool while at the same time keep the room sealed? Do I vent it into the room with a small fan, and put the rack on sliders for access?

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Another question: If I build a cubby hole for the audio rack... How do I keep it cool while at the same time keep the room sealed? Do I vent it into the room with a small fan, and put the rack on sliders for access?
I believe a dead vent into a different room with a silent in-line exhaust fan is the most effective method. If you're doing a cubby, having a rolling rack will help a lot for access.


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Well I ordered my clips, and putty pads today. The old wiring was removed from the old walls today, and some of the new insulation was installed. It is nice to have the wiring streamlined. We also painted the old circuit breaker box so now we will be re labeling everything properly, plus we will be installing the Leviton Whole House Surge Protector.

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