UMC-1 preorders are apparently shipping. I hope to buy one as soon as they have them in stock in their shopping cart. As a casual movie watcher it makes no sense to spend twice as much as the UMC-1, it's going to replace a Sony receiver in my pre-amp's HT Bypass loop.
It seems like the company is not acknowledging that a second Fe Rev will be necessary. Lonnie's musing about whether the eq should be visible disturbs me greatly. The cirrus Irc never worked all that well.
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Wow for a unit that had so many delays and hype seems it is still an ify product, there shouldnt be so many bugs IMO. I really wanted one for a friend but cant in good faith tell him to buy it, maybe the issues will get resolved but if this was Rotel, Classe, Lexicon, Anthem or the like folks would be calling for their heads. Yes its a good price but its supposed to be glitch free.......................right?
I'm sure that any problems/bugs will be sorted with firmware updates, my Arcam has had many bugs but it is getting better and it costs a lot more than the UMC-1, but the sound quality certainly makes up for any issues the AV888 has had...as it is sublime.
I wanted to report back on how my experience with my UMC-1 is going.
I was able to borrow a boom mic stand and run the Emo-Q. Wow, I am really happy with the results. My measurements (distances) were right on; I did need to tweek some of the crossovers, my sub is showing out of phase but what it produced is nothing short of outstanding! It has been a long time since I have been so satisfied with a piece of equipment! My system sounds outstanding with the UMC-1 in it. I remember how excited I was when the Outlaw 950 was introduced into my system and when I put the twin SVS subs, this processor has me excited once again. The big soundstage, clarity and dynamics it produces is far above the Marantz 5003 that was in my system. The Marantz is a great receiver but the UMC-1 is a big step up in sound quality and performace. I am so glad that I took a chance on the UMC-1. In my system, besides some of the tweeks I had to use with the Emo-Q, I have not had any bugs since the update.
They are still fulfilling pre-orders. They are not accepting any new orders yet. I have been on the pre-order list for two years but I will not see my UMC-1 until the end of March. I am really looking forward to getting this unit.
Well they have had mine back for repair since Monday. Called on Friday and they said they were still working on it and it would be shipped sometime this coming week. If it comes back with any of the problems I sent it in for it is going back for good. The only problem I see is that there is no acknowledgment by emotiva that their eq system is not working properly even tho there is a bunch of people having problems. Your paying for that feature and it should work correctly. If more people would call support and rma their units maybe emotiva would get a clue.
I understand your frustration Bob, and it is justified. But in my unit the EQ works properly, so it seems to me there may be some defective devices among the first generation shipments, but it's not a universal fault. Please don't make it sound like one: a dozen failures among the first couple hundred units is an unacceptably high defect rate, and you can be assured that every single early adopter who gets a defect will post loudly about it on the web. But it's not an indication of a defective product design. They will get it sorted out and corrected, of this I am certain.
Well I am glad yours works well. You said:The Emo-Q setup routine is definitely not functioning the way they intended. Sounds like a universal problem to me. I find it interesting that when people post a problem emotiva blames them for doing something wrong and when they post back saying they are doing it right and several other people have the same problem emotiva quits responding. With the last firmware update they said: We have resolved all known issues save for one item that we feel will be cleaned up this weekend. Yet lots of people are still having problems and the more they ship out the more problem posts you see. I am confident emotiva will eventually work out the bugs, but how long is that going to take? This is my first emotiva product and I am far from impressed.
Now that the 'Production' Software has come out, and for me some of the problems still exist in my system I decided to send my unit back and get a refund. I am now doing some research as to what I will get to replace the UMC-1. Loved the sound, just had a hard time with some of the glitches.
I was seriously looking at the UMC. However the prospect of the possiblity of having problems turned me off..sigh. I have been looking at the new Denon 4311CI
I would seriously consider the Denon over the UMC-1. It offers alot more features then the UMC and still leaves you with the option of adding outboard amplification.:T
The HDMI handshake didn't cause me to return the UMC-1. It did take a little while to get the picture synced from like a trailer to the main movie to the movie. The thing that made me return it is the center channel drop outs. I think that may also be the HDMI syncing, but the audio would drop out sometimes from one movie preview to another or from the preview to the main menu. I also had an audio burst watching Hellboy II in DTS Master Audio. That was the only movie that did that, but everytime I would watch a DTS movie I was scared that it would repeat. I did not have this problem before the last upgrade. Also, sometimes when I powered down, it would not completely shut down. Not huge problems, but consistant. I decided to just go in a different direction.
I did really like the sound of the UMC-1, I just wanted it to be a little bit more stable.
Its a shame when something like this happens as it looks to have all the features you could want, and the DTS MA thing sounds like the problem that plagued a lot of AVR's when the HD formats were new( DTS Bomb), all that you are describing sounds like firmware issues and I'm sure they'll get there in the end...
I am hoping that they will be able to fix all of these bugs through software fixes too. I have had the unit for 8 months now. I have lived with the small inconsistancies with the hope that it would be fixed in the next update. I am only returning it now because the 30 return period has started with the new 'production' code (the last firmware update). It is still showing some of the bugs it had when I first got the unit and with the last update, I had two new bugs pop up. The DTS pop and my mic would not not work properly in Emo-Q. I had to rub my fingers above the mic to get it to pass the ambient noise test. I know several people had to do this to get their mics to pass this test, it's no big deal but I have not had to do this before this last update. It just makes me uncomforatle that there is more going on here than what it appears to me.
I hope they are able to get every bug worked out, it really would be a great product at a great price. I would buy it and keep it if it was all worked out. But, after 8 months I just don't want to wait anymore.
I can see where you are coming from but most processors do suffer from early teething problems with some worse than others, HDMI being one of the biggest hurdles to get right and that has not been helped with the versions changing each year :rolleyesno:
But I have been reading a lot of other forums and similar frustrations from users just not happy, lets hope they get it all sorted soon before they lose more customers.
I had a situation with some of there XPA amps all dealing with status lights and nothing to do with bad amp channels. I went through 2 XPA-5's and 2 XPA-2's. There customer service is great and there whole team seems dedicated to helping. So because i was plagued by 4 amps with bad status lights i reccomended (in a nice way) that there quality control seems a bit lacking and the kind sir i talked to agreed and was personally going to have these particular units checked out to see where the problem lies.
If they got there quirks worked out and i'll assume they will then i wouldn't hesitat to buy from them again as i have never heard such a big impact in sound improvement untill i got a couple of outboards and there price to performance ratio is one that can't be beat.:T
I'm sure in the end they will Iron out all the problems that have been mentioned and it will be a great value product and gives the chance for a lot more people to jump into the pre/pro fun and quality, it looks like all there feedback on other products have been 1st class so I'm sure they will, there is also another processor coming out with 2 HDMI outs which is a big plus for people with 2 displays HDTV and PJ.
I'm sure you are right john as the Gentleman that i talked to was very concerned and wanted nothing but the best.:sn:
I still have tossed around just getting a couple more products from them, the situation i had was not enough to take me away from them all around. The amps sounded awesome and tottaly gave my system a new life. I also agree that there products do live up to there reviews.:T
My first one I had problems with and no center channel coming thru. Sounded muffled. Sent it back, emo sent me a new one with all new firmware and even set it up based on my HT setup....preconfigured as close as they could determine. It came in, doggone thing worx perfect so I left it alone. I am a very happy camper and glad I purchased it.
This is really a silly question... absolutely no offense intended. Who would want to get on an airplane that had any bugs period?
You can say that about nearly any processor. Go to the gargantuan threads of nearly any processor or receiver and you will find numerous issues with all of them. The forums can (and in many cases do) bring out the worst of any piece of equipment and it does not account for the hundreds, possibly thousands who never had one issue with their unit, of which you rarely hear about. Case in point is the two NAD T785's I had. The first one I had was buggy... there was a run of them that had issues and there were quite a few complaining about the same issues, however, there were those who had no issues whatsoever. Of course NAD did make it right, but for some owners it took two or three updates to get it right... and in a few cases units had to be sent to NAD. The second unit I had was perfect, but there were several with the same firmware that purchased after I did who had issues with their unit. And these are NOT cheap units... they are VERY expensive... even at dealer cost.
The bottom line is I would would NOT want to get on an airplane that is based on the engineering of any audio equipment. Those engineers are not looking out for the benefit of life in their audio engineering.
It was intended to be a humorous comment, but apparently wasn't a good idea given the reaction it got. Sorry about that.
The fact of the matter is that I'm hoping Emotiva gets the UMC-1 issues to an acceptable level. I admire what they are trying to do, and am particularly impressed with the many postings about the super sound quality the unit apparently possess.
I'm sitting on the fence, watching the UMC-1, thinking of it and a Emotiva 5-channel 200 WPC Amp. If that proves to not be a good idea for whatever reason, I'll probably have to settle for a receiver.
Anyone trying to get a full featured unit on the market at an affordable price point deserves support.
Hello,
That and the fact that the FAA requires extensive testing of even small Airplanes before being Certified as airworthy.
HDMI Processors/AVR's are very complicated Components for an Manufacturer to build.
In truth, the most reliable have been the Japanese Brands. They have the R&D and huge Product Lines to offset the investment.
For a Boutique A/V Company to release an HDMI AVR/SSP, unless it is directly based off an OEM Japanese Design, is a gargantuan effort. Arcam literally wrote millions of lines of Code for their AVR-500/600 and AVP-888 and spent years in Development and it still required FW Updates to address bugs.
For a Company that is bringing to Market an SSP that costs less than many AVR's, Emotiva has worked quite hard at resolving the glitches that have been causing problems.
Deane, I would not be concerned about the XPA-5 as their Amplifiers have proven to be quite reliable. Moreover, Amplifiers do not present the myriad of challenges that a SSP does.
Cheers,
JJ
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