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post #291 of 944 Old 05-05-12, 04:45 PM
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What is interesting is the lines the Sherwood puts on my HDTV screen after I make menu changes.

The WAF-1's are pretty good speakers, while not as good as the SHO-10's, I don't know why you would assume they are the problem.

I did try the Audiophile 2 setting to avoid eq'ing much above the Schroeder frequency. It is better than flat, not as good as off. Dynamics seem a bit squashed.
Guess you didn't see the smilie. One thing, IMO, the WAF-1 is not a very dynamic speaker to begin with. Perhaps with the smoothed out bass in regards to your room makes them seem less dynamic.

Seems like you are having a lot of different little issues. No lines on my TV.
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Guess you didn't see the smilie. One thing, IMO, the WAF-1 is not a very dynamic speaker to begin with. Perhaps with the smoothed out bass in regards to your room makes them seem less dynamic.
The WAF-1's wouldn't be a factor when listening to levels below 90 dB peak. More likely, Trinnov smoothed the bass, as you said. Could be the DSP truncates dynamics? SPL meter reads the same on the top, appears that the floor is raised a couple of dB. I'll know more when I start REW.

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Must be the speakers.

The lines come and go. Turning the Sherwood's setup menu on and off fixes it. Many issues are me getting used to my first AVR. I still haven't tried my Blu Ray player, been enjoying music so much.

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The WAF-1's wouldn't be a factor when listening to levels below 90 dB peak. More likely, Trinnov smoothed the bass, as you said. Could be the DSP truncates dynamics? SPL meter reads the same on the top, appears that the floor is raised a couple of dB. I'll know more when I start REW.
Of all the experiences I have read, yours would be the first in lost dynamics due to the R972. How will you measure a raised noise floor? Do you hear a difference in quiet passages with your music...or speaker hiss? Maybe your are just inexperienced with an EQ'd setup.

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The lines come and go. Turning the Sherwood's setup menu on and off fixes it. Many issues are me getting used to my first AVR. I still haven't tried my Blu Ray player, been enjoying music so much.
That is probably a HDMI handshake issue. When I use the setup screen, I occasionally get a blank screen when I exit. Going back into the setup screen remedies that.

As far as getting used the issues due to the R972 being your first AVR, the R972's usability and friendliness leave much to be desired compared to current AVRs. It is its sound that has people living with it.
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Of all the experiences I have read, yours would be the first in lost dynamics due to the R972. How will you measure a raised noise floor? Do you hear a difference in quiet passages with your music...or speaker hiss?
No hiss, the amplifier noise floor is not raised. Thinking I heard reduced dynamics, I did comparo with a digital Rat Shack meter, watching the bottom number with both settings. Ran Audiophile 2 and Trinnov off three times each. 2 dB difference consistently, with music, playing the same passages over and over. Most likely, it is the difference between EQ smoothing and none.

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That is probably a HDMI handshake issue. When I use the setup screen, I occasionally get a blank screen when I exit. Going back into the setup screen remedies that.

As far as getting used the issues due to the R972 being your first AVR, the R972's usability and friendliness leave much to be desired compared to current AVRs. It is its sound that has people living with it.
Yes, I really like the sound, and appreciate what the Sherwood's low/high pass XO's do for my system.

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No hiss, the amplifier noise floor is not raised. Thinking I heard reduced dynamics, I did comparo with a digital Rat Shack meter, watching the bottom number with both settings. Ran Audiophile 2 and Trinnov off three times each. 2 dB difference consistently, with music, playing the same passages over and over. Most likely, it is the difference between EQ smoothing and none.
So you set Trinnov EQ to None or Audiophile.2, and the spatial mode to LVL+DLY?

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Yes, I really like the sound, and appreciate what the Sherwood's low/high pass XO's do for my system.
You realize that the XO is done via DSP...right?
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So you set Trinnov EQ to None or Audiophile.2, and the spatial mode to LVL+DLY?
Left the Spatial mode off, it was posted earlier that Spatial is of no use in 2.1. Went to the menu to turn it on, the background is pink instead of blue. So far is sounds great, with reduced bass levels. I'll give it more time, later. It's time for my chica and I to celebrate Cinco de Mayo.

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Yes, but this might be comparing apples to oranges in a way.

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Left the Spatial mode off, it was posted earlier that Spatial is of no use in 2.1. Went to the menu to turn it on, the background is pink instead of blue. So far is sounds great, with reduced bass levels. I'll give it more time, later. It's time for my chica and I to celebrate Cinco de Mayo.

Yes, but this might be comparing apples to oranges in a way.
3d and 2d spatial modes do nothing in 2.1. LVL+DLY sets the channel levels and distance, and will have an effect in 2.1. This was also mentioned.

No disrespect, but It seems that your lack of understanding on how the system works may also be of some hindrance for you getting the best results.
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I don't have an R-972, but I've thought a lot about it. I'm curious, Curt Hoyt mentions a "W" configuration in his app notes for the front speakers. If I understand this right, this would be a high center speaker, two low left and right speakers, and two high further left and right speakers. Would it be possible to use this configuration to create a virtual 2.1 configuration with a better sound stage than just having two front speakers?
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I don't have an R-972, but I've thought a lot about it. I'm curious, Curt Hoyt mentions a "W" configuration in his app notes for the front speakers. If I understand this right, this would be a high center speaker, two low left and right speakers, and two high further left and right speakers. Would it be possible to use this configuration to create a virtual 2.1 configuration with a better sound stage than just having two front speakers?
"Better" would be subjective since music is not recorded that way, but it can definitely be done.
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3d and 2d spatial modes do nothing in 2.1. LVL+DLY sets the channel levels and distance, and will have an effect in 2.1. This was also mentioned.

No disrespect, but It seems that your lack of understanding on how the system works may also be of some hindrance for you getting the best results.
I'm not using 2D or 3D, LVL+DLY is not difficult to understand and I did try it a week or two ago. Trying it again, I get the same results, greatly reduced bass levels. I shut Trinnov off and set distance and sub level manually.

I'll try it again when I am setup for 5.1. There are people that are satisfied with Trinnov 4.1, I may try that as well.

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