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post #611 of 944 Old 02-25-13, 10:41 AM
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Re: Sherwood/Newcastle R-972 Official Thread

I liked having Dynamic EQ but I do not miss it personally and have not seen anyone else moan about the fact that Trinnov does not have it.

As mentioned earlier Trinnov DOES eq the subs and does a fine job of it.

As far as what kind of job Trinnov will do with your ceiling speakers is not an answer anyone can really answer for you unless they have the same room and ceiling speaker placement. My guess would be that Trinnov would do a great job with your ceiling speakers but not having any experience with your kind of set-up is only a guess.
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Re: Sherwood/Newcastle R-972 Official Thread

I have in-ceiling surrounds and rears, but on wall fronts and soon to be center (above TV).

The 3D effect works fine, the rears sound like they are above you, but not in ceiling. The fronts, though, sound like they are wider than they really are, so the WOW effect is that the speakers truly disappear.

I leave mine in 2D mode, since I don't have a wide spread of 3D, but the 2D is impressive too. Basically it can't pull the sound image lower than your lowest speakers (or higher than your highest ones). But if you had floorstanding fronts, a higher center, and surrounds on the back wall and rears up high, it could make it sound like they were all on the same plane.
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I have in-ceiling surrounds and rears, but on wall fronts and soon to be center (above TV).

The 3D effect works fine, the rears sound like they are above you, but not in ceiling. The fronts, though, sound like they are wider than they really are, so the WOW effect is that the speakers truly disappear.

I leave mine in 2D mode, since I don't have a wide spread of 3D, but the 2D is impressive too. Basically it can't pull the sound image lower than your lowest speakers (or higher than your highest ones). But if you had floorstanding fronts, a higher center, and surrounds on the back wall and rears up high, it could make it sound like they were all on the same plane.
I read something about pointing a red dot. How can the red dot point at the in ceiling speaker?
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Re: Sherwood/Newcastle R-972 Official Thread

No, you point the red dot at the cente channel location or where you want the sound of the center channel to come from.

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Onkyo 805, Yamaha YDP2006EQ, Samson Servo 600 amp
3 EV Sentry 500 monitors across the front, 4 Mission 762i's Surrounds, SVS PB13U sub, Panasonic BDT220, Harmony 1100, Nintendo WiiU
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Sherwood/Newcastle R972, Mission 765's, SVS SBS02's, A/D/S MS3u sub, Yamaha YDG2030EQ
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oh my....NOW I see what the hub bub is about with this thing. 3D remapping is AWESOME!!!!! I always could kind of tell my center channel was lower than the rest of my speakers due to my screen, but NOW!!! It's like it is coming from behind the screen where it should be..Got some more playing to do..
Does anyone know on a 5.1 soundtrack if Trinnov uses the back surround channels? In my first session with Star Trek 2009 I noticed that they were not outputting anything...
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It is really hard to explain to people the effect Spatial Re-mapping does except to say that it creates a soundfield were you are immersed in sound. It really makes the speakers disappear, not something easily explained until you go back to Audyssey or another EQ and you can pinpoint speaker placement.

Trinnov will use any channel it needs to in order to create the soundfield it is trying to duplicate. I was using the Disney WOW BD to try and figure out what level was reference for the 972 and found this out. The calibration tones are discrete with the WOW disc but with 3D re-mapping engaged if you walk around and listen to various speakers up close you will hear some of them outputting noise that you would not have figured. For my side surrounds they are lower than they should be so when the calibration went to the sides the backs also output a signal so it could create a soundfield in which the sides sounded higher than they actually were. I bet with your set-up and your center being lower that if you sent a discrete calibration signal from a test disc to your center that your mains would also play the tone. If you listened from your MLP then it would sound like your center is only playing until you walk up and hear the mains playing as well.

One thing that I wish was different was that you can't play internal test tones after you run a Trinnov calibration. This was the main reason I used a calibration disc to find out were the reference level was on the volume as it is different than others were it is always 0. The catch is it is not always the same, depends on how the calibration goes so if you make changes in your system you will have to re-run the test tones on a disc to find out.
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It is really hard to explain to people the effect Spatial Re-mapping does except to say that it creates a soundfield were you are immersed in sound. It really makes the speakers disappear, not something easily explained until you go back to Audyssey or another EQ and you can pinpoint speaker placement.

Trinnov will use any channel it needs to in order to create the soundfield it is trying to duplicate. I was using the Disney WOW BD to try and figure out what level was reference for the 972 and found this out. The calibration tones are discrete with the WOW disc but with 3D re-mapping engaged if you walk around and listen to various speakers up close you will hear some of them outputting noise that you would not have figured. For my side surrounds they are lower than they should be so when the calibration went to the sides the backs also output a signal so it could create a soundfield in which the sides sounded higher than they actually were. I bet with your set-up and your center being lower that if you sent a discrete calibration signal from a test disc to your center that your mains would also play the tone. If you listened from your MLP then it would sound like your center is only playing until you walk up and hear the mains playing as well.

One thing that I wish was different was that you can't play internal test tones after you run a Trinnov calibration. This was the main reason I used a calibration disc to find out were the reference level was on the volume as it is different than others were it is always 0. The catch is it is not always the same, depends on how the calibration goes so if you make changes in your system you will have to re-run the test tones on a disc to find out.
Yep, just learned that about the test tones. I was going down to try and see the sub level before i added the "6db boost file" and saw that I could not use the test tones with Trinnov engaged. I didn't figure it made any sense to try it with it off as supposedly the file only applies to Trinnov.
Other thing I noticed was that is you are using DTS-MA 5.1 or Dolby True_HD 5.1 it does NOT use your rear surrounds. Either with Trinnov or without. I thought that odd but did not notice it when I was watching a movie or feel that I was missing out. The only way I actually knew was that I was walking around to each speaker.
Yes, switching between inputs is extremely painfully slow but not a deal breaker for me. The couple test disc I popped in sounded GREAT with 3D remapping.
Before I go back down I am popping over to Amazon to get the Disney test disc for more playing. Overall, very happy so far, especially at $299! I wish I would have ordered two! I also popped over to AC4less and pooped the $50 for the end caps. Painful that two pieces of wood cost 1/6 of my receiver though...
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Other thing I noticed was that is you are using DTS-MA 5.1 or Dolby True_HD 5.1 it does NOT use your rear surrounds. Either with Trinnov or without. I thought that odd but did not notice it when I was watching a movie or feel that I was missing out. The only way I actually knew was that I was walking around to each speaker.
The Disney WOW disc is DTS-MA which I am pretty sure what it was using for the test tones as well. In my set-up it does use the back surrounds a lot with 5.1 DTS-MA and TrueHD but that is probably because my side surrounds are lower than they should be so it is compensating.
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The Disney WOW disc is DTS-MA which I am pretty sure what it was using for the test tones as well. In my set-up it does use the back surrounds a lot with 5.1 DTS-MA and TrueHD but that is probably because my side surrounds are lower than they should be so it is compensating.
I don't understand you can't hear the surrounds unless you get near them. then what's the point shouldn't you be able to hear the surround without having to get near them?
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hmmmm, I may have some investigation to do. those of you who have rear surrounds, are they active when using a 5.1 HD source such as Dolby true-hd or DTS-MA? mine are not in use. I can walk up to them and they are definitely not outputting sound. I can also not engage any other sound field when Trinovv it's in use...
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