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post #1 of 76 Old 05-04-11, 11:57 AM Thread Starter
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Hello every1,

New to the site and looking for some information. A little bout myself I live in Red Deer Alberta Canada with a young family. Enough about that

I have 1500-2000 and am looking for a 5.1 6.1 home audio system (receiver, sub(must have a nice bass pump to it(10" i assume would be the ideal)), 2 front tower, 2 backs(surrounds) a front center and possibly a back center). This will be used for gaming, movies, general tv and ofcourse music. I live in a four level split so need something that can fill the house or atleast put in a solid atempt.

I have done some research and have found some brands of interest (hsu,psb,ascend acoustic,yamaha,athena, bose). However I am looking for dealers close so the shipping or duty costs are elminated.

Anyone with system ideas and dealers feel free to let me know. Thanks in advance
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post #2 of 76 Old 05-04-11, 12:08 PM
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Hello and welcome!!! Check out Fluance, I think they are in your neck of the woods.

I'm gonna vote for Ascend Acoustics though especially with the release of their awesome new tower
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Just to add if you guys have any other systems that I should maybe buy a receiver and two towers to start and finish the system later. I would be willing to go that route aswell. Suggestions and experience is greatly appreciated. Thanks again
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Welcome to HTS. Unfortunately, it seems AV gear costs a good bit more in Canada. I would also look at used gear as well to maximize your budget. Either way, good luck on this project and know we are here for any questions you might have.

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Hi Deman. I live in Calgary and there's definitely a good deal of hi fi shops here that you could check out. You should contact them and arrange an appointment, then drive down here to the city for some auditions on a weekend or something.

I would budget about 1k give or take on stereo mains with plenty of clean output and natural sound quality, around 2-300 on some decent surrounds, and around 500 on a QUALITY receiver.

General Audio near Chinook Center sells Focal speakers
K&W Audio sells Def Tech, Martin Logan, PSB, and MK sound speakers
Good ol' Best Buy sells Infinity Primus P363 speakers. Getting an audition is tough but they're a good speaker and can be had online at resellers for dirt cheap
Axe Music sells great pro monitors like Behringer 3031P i believe.
If you're willing to drive up to grand prairie, Echo Sound carries RBH speakers.
Loyalty Sound carries Harbeth Speakers.

The above are all worth auditioning if they've got any models at your price point. Try giving them a call at the very least.

At your price point, you may also wish to check internet direct. What you lose in shipping or duty, you gain in sheer value - I wouldn't mind letting you audition my EMP Tek e55tis which fit well into your general budget, although my living room probably isn't exactly ideal for an official audition (unlike the 30 day in-home trial).

Axiom Audio is a Canadian internet direct brand you may consider. I believe they offer free shipping in Canada, and their M60s might be an option for you.

Speakers aside, you need to

For subwoofers, I recommend going Funkywaves or SVS OR - if you're willing - DO IT YOURSELF

I wouldn't really budget a center speaker to be honest. I think a good center can be great and a poor center is essentially a waste of money, and at this price point the good centers are rare to say the least. You're better off spending that part of the budget on the subwoofer, and letting stereo mains act as a phantom center.

Finally we get to a receiver. You want a good one, but the MSRP for a decent receiver with a quality amplifier section is normally about 1k. I think that's ridiculous to be honest, as electronics barely alter the sound. So - don't pay MSRP!

I recommend a receiver like this one:

I think it has all the performance you'll need - sans 3D (get an SR5005 from the same site if 3D is important). The MSRP of 849 is pretty much on point - it's a really good receiver for a great price (maybe add like $30 GST after it goes through customs).

As a warning, the one I linked is a FACTORY REFURB. It's an authorized dealer and I purchased my SR6003 from them but that's a warning you should hear. I think it's a great deal and lets you focus your budget on speakers.

When it comes to auditioning, you really need to bring a CD with demo material which is

- Well mastered (so the balance is correct on a good speaker, and hopefully has some dynamic range in the mix)
- uncompressed (not MP3)
- something you're well familiar with (so you can listen to the speaker for once rather than be tricked by the music)
- natural - synthetic sounds like lasers or dinosaur stomps sound decent on even poor setups. that's how bose sells its tiny little cube speakers. What you need are sounds you can recognize in real life - IE a violin, guitar, drum, human voice, etc. The more natural a system sounds, the more enjoyable the OVERALL experience is. Remember, you're not buying a system to listen to the system, you're buying the system to act as a window to the content you want to experience, and you want that experience to be memorable!
- varied - you want to test different aspects of a system - maybe deep bass, or male voice, or female voice, or high end detail, etc. The same kind of track might not be the right approach. You still want tracks you'd listen to in real life, but try to get a broad picture of what's going on!

Finally, regarding bose, steer clear, in my opinion. Their speakers are made to impress in specific environments, rather than any attempt at dealing with real life situations like listening to real life audio in real life rooms at real life SPLs with real life reproduction.

When auditioning, perhaps take a notebook, close your eyes, and write down your thoughts as you listen. "Can I place the sound somewhere on an imaginary stage and where?? How loud is it, and how loud do I want it to be? How far am I and how far will I be? How sharp is the centering of the image? Did it sound natural? Did it sound hyped? is the placement appropriate? How would the floor and walls be affecting the sound as it gets to my ears? When I move around, does the sound change? How would I be sitting at home? How much of the perceived bass performance is the speaker and how much is the room? Are there any suspicious electronics (IE Tube Amplifiers) being used?". Ask the dealer for information on how best to drive the speaker and don't beleive a word they say on the sound of wires, electronics, and burn-in :P

Things like that.

Finally, I would purchase based at least partially on measurements. From 200hz to 10khz i would want +/- 2db tolerance (flat frequency response and no peaking outside of that passband) and I want it to remain similar out to 60 degrees off axis. I want sensitivity, impedance, and electrical phase under control so as to not compromise sound quality with my choice of amplification. You normally want bass extension with meaningful output down to around 60hz if you're going to go with an 80hz crossover, and down to around 35hz or so if you're going to cross around 60hz. This is more relevant for mains than surrounds, which don't need to play as loud or low.

At the end of the day though, nothing beats a true in-home audition, no matter what. A good dealer will usually let you do this if you're serious about purchasing. And definitely consider studio monitors like JBL Pro LSR, Mackie, and Behringer Truth.

Bringing some movie content never hurts either but definitely consider it secondary to music content, because good music speakers that can play decently loud (especially from 100hz - 250hz) nearly always make good movie speakers.
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post #10 of 76 Old 05-05-11, 12:11 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you all for the warm welcome..

Big thanks for GranteedEV. The type of information I was lookiong for thank you.

I have decided to right now with my $2000 budget get two towers and the receiver. Then worry about sub second and additional speakers down the road.

With that new price range I am considering four different brands.

Martin Logan Motion 12 or 10

Definitive Technology Mythos Four or Five / BP-8040st or BP-8020st (anyone know about these says they already have a sub 8" i believe in the towers)

Axiom Audio M80 or M60

Emp Tek E55Ti or E5Ti

with any of these towers
and future 5.1 or 6.1 added speakers whats the receivers that I should be looking into.
in my price range I see a jump between about $400 and $1000 depending of tower choice.

Thanks again to everyone and and future help.
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