Star Trek 2009

**Jon Liu** · **10-22-09, 02:56 PM**

I loved this film when I saw it in theaters. Even my wife agreed. We are no "Trekkers" that's for certain and it had enough substance to keep us both entertained thoroughly.

**Prof.** · **10-22-09, 06:47 PM**

That sounds like a good recommendation..when you hear a report like that from a non Trekky!

**Jon Liu** · **10-23-09, 12:54 PM**

In all honesty, I will even go as far as to say that this was one of my favorite movies of 2009.

**Prof.** · **10-23-09, 06:54 PM**

WOW!!..that is saying something!!
I'll be ordering this one shortly..

**Jon Liu** · **10-23-09, 10:25 PM**

Prof. I hope I am haven't built this movie up too much for you now!

**recruit** · **10-24-09, 03:41 AM**

This was so well done that I really did not expect it to be as good as it is, most certainly ordering this on BD...Fantastic film and look forward to sequels...

**Prof.** · **10-24-09, 06:08 PM**

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Jon Liu wrote:

Prof. I hope I am haven't built this movie up too much for you now!

Not a chance!..I'd be buying this movie anyway, to add to my collection of Star Trek movies..

**Jon Liu** · **10-26-09, 02:14 AM**

Prof, since you are a Star Trek fan, I would just caution you a bit, though. J.J. Abrams takes some creative liberties with parts of the Star Trek legacy and deviates a tad (or maybe quite a bit), or so I've heard. If you can overlook some of the things, then I think you will enjoy it thoroughly.

**lcaillo** · **10-26-09, 08:50 AM**

I have not spoken to a Star Trek fan yet that thought the "creative liberties" taken were a big problem with the film. I thought it was the best one yet other than maybe Wrath of Khan. It is fiction, after all.

**Jon Liu** · **10-26-09, 01:15 PM**

Yeah, several of my "Trekker" friends said basically the same thing. The changes were enough to make mention, but not enough for them to prevent them from enjoying the movie.

**Prof.** · **10-26-09, 06:12 PM**

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Jon Liu wrote:

Prof, since you are a Star Trek fan, I would just caution you a bit, though. J.J. Abrams takes some creative liberties with parts of the Star Trek legacy and deviates a tad (or maybe quite a bit), or so I've heard. If you can overlook some of the things, then I think you will enjoy it thoroughly.

Yes, thanks Jon..
I had heard some time ago that there would be some deviations, so I'm ready for that..

At the moment I'm changing all my Star Trek DVD's to Blu-ray..
The transfer quality on the re-mastered disc's is excellent..It gives new life to the old movies..

I highly recommend them for all the ST fans out there..

**Andysu** · **10-27-09, 01:27 PM**

Pre-ordered my copy of Star Trek region 2 DVD thou I don’t expect to see it selling out like hot cakes from HMV within 24 hours on the day of its release this November.

Saw Star Trek at Empire Leicester Square (JBL 56KW THX Dolby digital cinema) on May 7th twice that day, once front row and centre and second showing in the circle sweet spot centred.

Image was like blindingly bright sharp robust solid colours and (the flare camera effects) nice.

SPL db was rocking loud punchy full of reference glory,

I mean I had to dry up all the drool off the floor after I left. It was that good!

**Andysu** · **11-16-09, 10:02 AM**

The Bluray B region looks marginal fair on my LCD video at 1080i on temporary bed sheet at 80 diagonal in 10 foot room width.

Colours look spot on
Brightness spot on
Contrast spot on

The six-track Dolby stereo Ture sounded nice and punchy right down to the impressive Foley work from footsteps to body punches to warp speed cracking the vacuum space barrier to Vulcan collapsing into black hole.

No issues came up. I’m fully pleased with this transfer it reflects closely to what I experienced at the Empire Leicester Square on May 7th via Dolby digital cinema and the 56KW JBL THX sound system.

My system is only small 1.5KW and it’s plentiful enough.

I’m presently listening to the audio commentary session while typing. The director and crew keep making references to DVD so I guess they must be watching a DVD and not Bluray?

The crew sounds cheery while relieving details of each scene of the filming.

**Andysu** · **11-16-09, 10:46 AM**

My ViviCam 3785 doesn’t capture too well under artificial or low light conditions due to the lens. The image as tint of green due to low light level, what do you expect for £50.00 camera?

**Andysu** · **11-16-09, 12:36 PM**

Did this quick video taken from second Bluray disc extras

Ben Burtt and the sounds of Star Trek

You Tube

You Tube

Photon Torpedo

I’m curios about it myself, for the mixing techniques, for the original TV show. Would original mixers have used multi-track tape mixed down for monaural sound for the show.

If that’s the case then maybe the photon torpedo is made up of several sounds mixed down to one sound?

I like the ososlator sound generator it sounded like Forbidden Planet

**Vader** · **11-16-09, 08:50 PM**

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lcaillo wrote:

I have not spoken to a Star Trek fan yet that thought the "creative liberties" taken were a big problem with the film.

You have now...

I just watched it, and while it was a very well produced action film, it was (IMO) definitely not Star Trek (though I would like to know in what universe a third class midshipman fresh out of the academy is handed the keys to the most advanced starship ever built at the time: Going from ensign directly to captain with no rank advancement... impressive). Given what Abrams wanted to do with Superman, it is no surprise that he showed little to no concern for what has been established over the last 40 years...

That being said, I am glad I own it, and it will get repeat viewings due to the fact that I like popcorn movies. In my mind, it is like the 1998 Godzilla (GINO vs STINO?

). It is a guilty pleasure, but disrespects the source material to the extreme by poor writing (see my rank advancement comment above).

As for all of the Trek fans that liked it as a Trek film, I am glad that the franchise has found new life, and any further films in the series (c'mon... you know there will be) will provide more topics of debate between myself and my fellow pro-Abrams Trekkies

. Then again, that in and of itself, will provide a lot of fun...

**Sonnie** · **11-16-09, 10:31 PM**

I get my BD copy tomorrow... can't wait for the mail to run. I may have to take off early and come home and watch it. Ahhh... I'll probably end up waiting til the weekend... something really look forward to all week.

**Andysu** · **11-17-09, 01:49 AM**

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Sonnie wrote:

I get my BD copy tomorrow... can't wait for the mail to run. I may have to take off early and come home and watch it. Ahhh... I'll probably end up waiting til the weekend... something really look forward to all week.

Sounds too me like your postal service is running on ¼ impulse power.

They need more warp speed.

**recruit** · **11-17-09, 05:12 AM**

Picked up a copy of this film on BD yesterday, superb movie and certainly gives your sound system a good work out

**lcaillo** · **11-17-09, 08:18 AM**

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Vader wrote:

You have now...

I just watched it, and while it was a very well produced action film, it was (IMO) definitely not Star Trek (though I would like to know in what universe a third class midshipman fresh out of the academy is handed the keys to the most advanced starship ever built at the time: Going from ensign directly to captain with no rank advancement... impressive). Given what Abrams wanted to do with Superman, it is no surprise that he showed little to no concern for what has been established over the last 40 years...

That being said, I am glad I own it, and it will get repeat viewings due to the fact that I like popcorn movies. In my mind, it is like the 1998 Godzilla (GINO vs STINO?

). It is a guilty pleasure, but disrespects the source material to the extreme by poor writing (see my rank advancement comment above).

As for all of the Trek fans that liked it as a Trek film, I am glad that the franchise has found new life, and any further films in the series (c'mon... you know there will be) will provide more topics of debate between myself and my fellow pro-Abrams Trekkies

. Then again, that in and of itself, will provide a lot of fun...

There is always one...a first time for everything.

Since when did Kirk ever follow rules?

I can understand your concern with departure from tradition, Bones. Star Trek, after all is about a centuries old social structure that certainly can't tolerate deviants like that.

My initial thought was, HEY!, what are they doing, but then I just kicked back and took the ride. After all, the big picture was the same, and details are just that. It is fiction, and the movie was sort of like a rememberance of youth...and memory is such that from any particular perspective, the story could be very different. Or, as your question suggests, it could just be an alternative reality or universe. That was the theme of more than one OE.

**wbassett** · **11-17-09, 08:56 AM**

I'll be picking it up Wednesday (wife is in school all day Tuesday).

I've seen this twice in the theater, now I am wondering how well it will do with the test of time.

When it first came out there was an excitement about it because it had been awhile since a Trek movie, and after the poor box office showing of the last several attempts everyone was resigned to thinking the movie franchise was over. In that sense this was a very good thing. It revived the movie franchise and also brought in a whole new set of fans.

Now though I am starting to wonder at what cost.

The new Trek has lots of action and is a great Sci-Fi popcorn flick, but the more I look at it the less it looks like Star Trek to me.

As I mentioned earlier, I really didn't like them all being at the academy at the same time and Abram's excuse of this being an alternate timeline isn't standing up well after repeat viewings and over time. Then there is the engineering level, and the bridge.

One thing that Rodenberry always said about Star Trek was that as much as the cast and crew were important to the show, the Enterprise was the real star of the series. The bridge is an iconic Sci-Fi image, however this new Enterprise is just about as generic looking as you can get. Can anyone really describe what the bridge looks like? Or any part of the interior of the ship for that matter.

Also there is something strange about the nacelles and warp drive engines. I read where Abrams was going for more of a 'hot rod' or 'muscle car' look over a sleek design of the newer series ships. I know this part is minor, but something really looks out of place with the engines.

It's still a fun movie, but it totally rips apart Trek at the core. I know they explain it away as being different because it's an alternate timeline... When it comes to alternate timelines... I guess I like Mirror/Mirror better! Spock with a goatee! Now that was cool!

**Prof.** · **11-17-09, 05:56 PM**

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wbassett wrote:

The new Trek has lots of action and is a great Sci-Fi popcorn flick, but the more I look at it the less it looks like Star Trek to me.

Same for me!..I've watched it twice now on Blu-ray and it's a great sci-fi movie..but I can't relate it as a Star Trek movie..

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excuse of this being an alternate timeline isn't standing up well after repeat viewings and over time.

I think this was the biggest disappointment for me..The timeline thing just doesn't gel and you come away thinking..Is this Star Trek!!

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Then there is the engineering level, and the bridge.

The engineering was huge, but totally out of date and too "nuts and bolts"..
Even the original "Enterprise" series had a more futuristic looking engineering section..
It's not surprising really when you see where they filmed the engineering system for this movie!!
I wonder whether any of you guys in the US recognise the engineering section!!?

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The bridge is an iconic Sci-Fi image, however this new Enterprise is just about as generic looking as you can get. Can anyone really describe what the bridge looks like? Or any part of the interior of the ship for that matter.

The bridge was more in keeping with the period, but I agree, we never really saw what the whole bridge looks like..just bits and pieces..and if anybody asked me what the interior looked like..I couldn't tell you!!

One thing I did like that JJ Abrams included was the little bits of dialogue or references to other Star Trek movies...
That was about the only thing that you could relate to this being a part of the Star Trek saga..

**wbassett** · **11-17-09, 06:10 PM**

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Prof. wrote:

One thing I did like that JJ Abrams included was the little bits of dialogue or references to other Star Trek movies...
That was about the only thing that you could relate to this being a part of the Star Trek saga..

Except... this is an 'alternate timeline' and none of the other movies even happened!

**Prof.** · **11-17-09, 06:17 PM**

Good point..I hadn't considered that!

That just makes it more out of context!!

**tonyvdb** · **11-17-09, 07:09 PM**

Wow, I just came back from our local big box store and they were already sold out of the "tin box" BluRay. I had to go with the 3 disc special addition regular case. There were three tills open and a line up at all of them everyone but two people that I could see had a copy of the movie.

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