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| No cut negative. Penny wise and pound foolish. I thought I'd pass this along to everyone to see how penny wise and pound foolish some in the movie business can be. I just completed the final cut of my feature film, "What Really Frightens You". It's ready for negative matching...except...almost every negative matcher on the East Coast has folded since I shot the picture last June. You may be wondering...how can that be? Every movie needs a final cut negative in 35mm so that it can be released in theaters and on DVD, Blu-ray and cable. Let's say the final cut of the movie is about 1000 shots and 90 minutes long. That's five reels of cut camera negative. That means each shot selected from the dailies (which could be anywhere from 30 to 100 rolls of film) has been removed from those rolls and cement spliced onto a final cut negative. The cut camera negative is then 'timed' which means in a color analyzer in the lab each shot of the movie is given numbers that represent the correct red, green and blue ratio and overall contrast. Similar to what you have in your monitor when you set your color. A 'timer' is the person who adjusts the colors and contrast (lightness and darkness) of each shot so they match within a scene. You don't want the sky too blue in one shot within a sequence and then washed out blue in the next shot. Once the timing information has been inputted into a printer, a fine grain positive of the feature is made (in color it's called an interpositive and in black and white it's called a fine grain master). Then from that an internegative is made for release copies. For the high definition video master, the fulled color corrected interpositive is usually used. However, in the last year there has been a major change in this procedure. Here's what many producers are doing which is what caused most of the negative matchers to fold... After they edit the movie digitally (the 35mm rolls of negative that were shot on the set or location are transferred to digital files for editing), they are sending all of the small rolls of film which is 30 to 100 rolls to a video transfer facility and only taping the actual shots they used for the final cut onto whatever the current format is. In other words, they aren't actually cutting the negative dailies into a final cut camera negative of 5 reels. They are taking all 100 reels of dailies with the slates and everything and just scanning in sections of those shots for the video master. From the video master, they are outputting a 35mm negative for printing and both DVD and Blu-ray copies. What's wrong with that? Well to begin with, video formats keep changing. First there was two inch videotape followed by one inch then Beta SP all in the analog format. Then came standard DVD followed by high definition DVD. Within the high definition systems it started with 2K resolution which has been replaced by 4K resolution. But that's only for the moment. Some day they will have greater resolutions for home and theatrical use. That means that each time they want to make a new video transfer of the film, they'll have to scan in 1000 shots from the original 100 rolls a shot at a time. Not only is that astronomically expensive but if the distributor loses one of those rolls, they'll be missing shots. And we know how reliable distributors are about preserving movies over the decades. You're lucky if they saved a final cut of 5 reels much less the 100 reels of dailies. I can just see future problems of films where some of the dailies reels are missing and they can't find some of the shots of the movie. I think this is a major mistake for the future of any movie mastered in this manner. I absolutely insist on having a final cut negative of my film. I might end up conforming the negative myself if there are no negative matchers left in my area. They've been folding like dominoes over the last few months. It's a real eyestrain to match a negative (I did it on my first feature). Anyway, ten years from now when you hear about some producer or distributor trying to make a new video master of some movie and complain they are missing some shots, you'll know why. I've heard a number of television shows are doing this too including "Law and Order". They might not have an actual cut 35mm negative of the series. Just the dailies which have been scanned into a video master a shot at a time. Last edited by Richard W. Haines; 05-15-08 at 11:28 AM. | |||
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| Re: No cut negative. Penny wise and pound foolish. How are they ever gonna sell the multiple director's cuts, and final cuts of all these movies in ten years without the extra footage? How do they transfer the 35mm negatives to digital...is there a hi-tech scanner of some sort that they run through? Quote:
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| Re: No cut negative. Penny wise and pound foolish. Chas, It's going to be a mess, that's for sure if they don't have a final cut negative in 35mm, just a mass of camera rolls that they shot on set or location. The way they do it is to put each reel into the digital scanner and then just scan in the portions of the shot they need leaving out the slate and extra footage. It's done a frame at a time and extremelly expensive. You're charged by the frame. In conventional film printing you're charged by the foot and the machines are fast. When they just scan in the individual shots, they end up with a digital master but no cut negative. What they do is to output a 35mm printing negative from the digital master for release prints but when you make between 2000-4000 prints from it, it becomes very scratchy and worn out so for the long run the 35mm internegative derived from the digital master is worthless. That leaves them only with the digital master for the future or going back to all of those little camera rolls and scanning in each shot from scratch to make a new digital master. Really, really stupid. For one thing, they keep upgrading the scanners. Until a couple of years ago, they were scanning everything in at 2K. Those masters are worthless now because they've been upgraded with 4K. Those look fine, for the time being, but they are already developing a 6K scanner for sharper results. If you have a cut camera negative, you can use it to make all future materials from color interpositives to color internegatives (for release prints) to any digital format or hard drive developed decades from now. It's not that difficult or expensive to keep track of 5 reels of film but somewhat overwhelming to keep track of hundred of little camera rolls per feature film. Think of the amount of storage that would require. In any event, I think I found a lab that can match my negative so I have a cut one for all current and future use. | |||
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