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#1 ·
The Elite PRP-605XFD and PRO-70X5FD.

Intelligent Variable Contrast
RGBY+Y Pixel Color Technology
Precision Color Plus Pixel Technology
Gen-Ten LCD / UV2A Brightness
FluidMotion Smoothness
Full Array LED Backlighting
Local LED Dimming

Kevin Miller's Review.
"The PRO-60X5FD, a full array LED backlit LCD panel with Local Dimming Technology, produces superior blacks to the vaunted reference Pioneer Elite panels, and is definitely one of the best performing most color accurate flat panel displays available today."

This is my 1st post so I'm unable to list any URL's but I just thought I'd post a few pointers to get the conversation going. If you find any new news or professional reviews on this display please post it here. Additionally if you own the Elite or plan on getting one I'd love to here what you have to say, thanks.


CNET Settings:

Below you'll find the settings we found best for viewing the Sharp Elite PRO-60X5FD in a dim room via the HDMI input at 1080p/24 resolution. Your settings may vary depending on source, room conditions, and personal preference. Check out the Picture settings and calibration FAQ for more information.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9996461-1.html

--Picture Settings menu

AV MODE: MOVIE THX
Intelligent Variable Contrast: Local Dimming On
OPC: Off
Backlight: +1
Contrast: +32
Brightness: +1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced sub-menu

C.M.S. -Hue
R: 0
Y: +3
G: +4
C: +2
B: -3
M: +3

C.M.S. -Saturation
R: +3
Y: -2
G: -1
C: +1
B: +1
M: 0

C.M.S. -Value
R: +2
Y: +2
G: 0
C: -12
B: +3
M: -2

Color Temp sub-menu:
Color Temp: Low [grayed out when 10 Point is "On]

[10 Point Setting Off]
R Gain (LO): +1
G Gain (LO): -5
B Gain (LO): -3
R Gain (HI): +2
G Gain (HI): -4
B Gain (HI): -4

[10 Point Setting On]
Position +1: R Gain +2, G Gain 0, B Gain 0
Position +2: R Gain 0, G Gain -4, B Gain -3
Position +3: R Gain 0, G Gain -5, B Gain -5
Position +4: R Gain 0, G Gain -3, B Gain -2
Position +5: R Gain 0, G Gain -4, B Gain -4
Position +6: R Gain 0, G Gain -3, B Gain -5
Position +7: R Gain -2, G Gain -5, B Gain -5
Position +8: R Gain -1, G Gain -6, B Gain -6
Position +9: R Gain 0, G Gain -5, B Gain +5
Position +10: R Gain 0, G Gain 0, B Gain -1

Motion Enhancement: 120Hz Low
Quad Pixel Plus: Off
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: 0
Film Mode: Off
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: [any]
 
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#444 ·
It may have said 'Elite' is a registered triad mark of pioneer? Maybe.

It's my understanding that the 'Elite' brand is supposed to span the gamut from Pioneer to Sharp's various high end 'Elite' is supposed to be almost a brand in itself. I mean unlike every other TV on the planet this one does not have any other name on it's face.
 
#453 ·
Pulled up a waterfall and looked to see if I could adjust and yes I was able to move the clip to higher/lower IRE but raising it introduced additional errors and I had to lower contrast to such a level that I lost dynamics.

For me it was am issue of mitigating problems. I guess that's why we call calibration an art and a science.
 
#454 ·
I ran into the same problem when calibrating my 70X5. In my case the color shift was to pink. Gave up on the 10 point in the Elite and adjusted the gains to lower overall white balance down to the 6700 range from O of B ~7100 in THX. Used Lumagen Radiance 21 point gamma/grayscale to calibrate from that point. No problem at 50-60% when using the Radiance.
 
#456 ·
70" same issue as well.....

ok guys i am perplexed and baffled as to what i am going through, i need some input. i just got my 70" today, and after setting it up and putting it through it's paces. i have the exact same anomally as what my 60" set exhibited. the issue is a flickering or background fluctuation. it only occurs on background images. ie;walls or other similar objects. now in theory we would certainly think i have some issue w/ my components. certainly you wouldn't think i would have two sets exhibit the same issues.especially with two different panels. so here is where i need some diagnostic help. it doesn't matter if i route my dvr/br player indirectly or directly to the set it still produces the issue. so naturally one would think maybe a hdmi handshake issue or component issue. however, i can replicate the same problem wheather or not i give it a direct ota (75ohm coaxial cable feed) or stream a movie via the ethernet cable. so i have know choice in thinking it has to be the panel,but nobody else has mentioned even the slightest bit of what i am experiencing except Ken who briefly said, "he saw a little flicker in thx mode."
so i ask anybody on some suggestions on what they think it may or may not be. this issue really has me stumped.
 
#460 ·
In general I like to turn all or at least mist of the "enhanced" features off on displays. I've noticed they tend to do more harm then good. Once I have a TV set up to my liking, then and only then will I play with with those features to see if they bring anything good to the table. Usually they hurt the PQ.
 
#466 ·
I agree with Jim and all you need is HTS for the latest and most accurate flat panel TV information. :) We've calibrated and delivered more Elite TVs than most retailers have even received to date.

In less than 2 weeks we'll be evaluating 9 premium HDTVs at our shoot-out event and you can watch the live feed on the home page of HTS.

-Robert
 
#469 ·
Well, at long last I had the opportunity to see the Elite with my own two (somewhat inferior) eyeballs this past Saturday morning, at the Magnolia near Perimeter Mall in Atlanta. They had the 60" Elite in the top center position of a six panel display on a wall that was somewhat protected from most of the glare of in-store lighting. Bryan, the store manager, had a tablet type device that allowed him to control the feed to each of the six panels and he was able to do anything and everything that I asked of him. I thought that it was as good a situation as I have seen for showing what each set could do. The six panels included the Samsung D7000 and D8000, the LG, the Panny VT30 and the Sony 929...so the top four plazmas and the top two LCD's, which was all the ones that I would have asked to see directly compared. My Precious One was with me so I was not able to spend as much time as I would have liked, and my plan is to return with my son sometime soon.

First impression is that the Elite is the clear leader among the panels that I saw, simply because it is able to generate the uniform, bright white level along with the well established black level performance. It was obvious that the other sets needed to be adjusted for things like sunburned flesh tones, oversaturation on most, and some overdriven backlighting on the 929, but the Elite would still in my opinion be the best display of the six. THX mode looked terrific on the hi-def feed and especially on the Panasonic demo disc. I asked Bryan to increase the color saturation in THX to see how it would compare to the others in torch mode, and was very pleased to see that the Elite can be made to look pretty much any way that you choose. I also asked to see it in Dynamic, thinking about Saturday football, and Dear One said that it was so bright that it hurt her eyes...another hopeful thing.

Now to the glare issue. All of the six panels exhibited refelctivity, especially the LG. The D8000, the VT30and the 929 were somewhat less reflective to my eye. The Elite was somewhere in between. What was "hopeful" to me was that the Elite can be cranked up so that the brightness will overcome the reflectivity and it might indeed be watchable in our den. The only way to tell is to try it and see. If we can try it on a 60 day return basis, then I want to. It is definitely worth a try. I think that it is the best hope for us to replace our current set. I will need to see that they can solve the technical issues first and then see if the price can become somewhat more earthly but I came away more favorably impressed than I expected to. I will definitely return for a more thorough evaluation!
 
#475 ·
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Now to the glare issue. All of the six panels exhibited refelctivity, especially the LG. The D8000, the VT30and the 929 were somewhat less reflective to my eye. The Elite was somewhere in between. What was "hopeful" to me was that the Elite can be cranked up so that the brightness will overcome the reflectivity and it might indeed be watchable in our den. The only way to tell is to try it and see....
I think I mentioned this earlier, but in case someone missed it...

My viewing room is our Sunroom. It has vaulted ceilings with 6 skylights, two 20ft walls of all glass and another wall that is 20ft and open into a bright kitchen and eating area. The walls are white. The tile floor is white. I have blinds on all the windows and skylights and you guessed it, they are all white to let in diffuse light without ruining the furniture (which for my wife is more important than tv reflections). As an aside, I had the contrast screen removed and calibrated my Elite Pro 710 when I bought it in 1998 because it was impossible to watch in this room with the screen on due to reflections.

So as you can imagine, one of my primary issues before purchasing my 70 from Robert was reflections.

I can say now, 10 days in, that reflections from the 70X5FD are NOT an issue in my room. Daytime, night time, movies, sports, not an issue, ever.

Jim
 
#470 ·
Regarding the Elite TV's ability to deliver a bright image we were actually able to get the panel set to output 140fl and not clip the lightest shade of gray. Of course, we would not set the TV to 140fl, but it does demonstrate how bright this panel can be without clipping and still maintaining an amazing black level.

It's the enormous dynamic range of black to white without clipping or crushing that makes this TV stand out against all other panels.

3D pq is stunning as we do calibrate for 3D in the Movie Mode to be very bright to overcome the light degradation from wearing the tinted 3D active glasses.

-Robert
 
#474 ·
FYI - I was able to use the discrete IR input codes from the Pioneer Pro-141FD to access the inputs on this TV directly. I had to download them to my remote from the URC database. When I tried to import the hex codes Pioneer shows on their website, they didn't work on my MX-810. I only knew to do this from a guy named Bryan on the AVS forum who had posted a file that works with URC remotes. Anyway, I am now able to use my macros to go directly to any HDMI input.
 
#477 ·
Did anyone get an extended warranty on their Elite? I went to Mack Camera which Robert at VE recommends. They ask for the service contract number. Does anyone know where this is? :huh:
 
#480 ·
Correct as usual Glennee. The mack service contract # is 1053.

If you have any questions about the warranty or are interested in getting this warranty let me know.

-Robert
 
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