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#1 ·
The Elite PRP-605XFD and PRO-70X5FD.

Intelligent Variable Contrast
RGBY+Y Pixel Color Technology
Precision Color Plus Pixel Technology
Gen-Ten LCD / UV2A Brightness
FluidMotion Smoothness
Full Array LED Backlighting
Local LED Dimming

Kevin Miller's Review.
"The PRO-60X5FD, a full array LED backlit LCD panel with Local Dimming Technology, produces superior blacks to the vaunted reference Pioneer Elite panels, and is definitely one of the best performing most color accurate flat panel displays available today."

This is my 1st post so I'm unable to list any URL's but I just thought I'd post a few pointers to get the conversation going. If you find any new news or professional reviews on this display please post it here. Additionally if you own the Elite or plan on getting one I'd love to here what you have to say, thanks.


CNET Settings:

Below you'll find the settings we found best for viewing the Sharp Elite PRO-60X5FD in a dim room via the HDMI input at 1080p/24 resolution. Your settings may vary depending on source, room conditions, and personal preference. Check out the Picture settings and calibration FAQ for more information.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9996461-1.html

--Picture Settings menu

AV MODE: MOVIE THX
Intelligent Variable Contrast: Local Dimming On
OPC: Off
Backlight: +1
Contrast: +32
Brightness: +1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced sub-menu

C.M.S. -Hue
R: 0
Y: +3
G: +4
C: +2
B: -3
M: +3

C.M.S. -Saturation
R: +3
Y: -2
G: -1
C: +1
B: +1
M: 0

C.M.S. -Value
R: +2
Y: +2
G: 0
C: -12
B: +3
M: -2

Color Temp sub-menu:
Color Temp: Low [grayed out when 10 Point is "On]

[10 Point Setting Off]
R Gain (LO): +1
G Gain (LO): -5
B Gain (LO): -3
R Gain (HI): +2
G Gain (HI): -4
B Gain (HI): -4

[10 Point Setting On]
Position +1: R Gain +2, G Gain 0, B Gain 0
Position +2: R Gain 0, G Gain -4, B Gain -3
Position +3: R Gain 0, G Gain -5, B Gain -5
Position +4: R Gain 0, G Gain -3, B Gain -2
Position +5: R Gain 0, G Gain -4, B Gain -4
Position +6: R Gain 0, G Gain -3, B Gain -5
Position +7: R Gain -2, G Gain -5, B Gain -5
Position +8: R Gain -1, G Gain -6, B Gain -6
Position +9: R Gain 0, G Gain -5, B Gain +5
Position +10: R Gain 0, G Gain 0, B Gain -1

Motion Enhancement: 120Hz Low
Quad Pixel Plus: Off
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: 0
Film Mode: Off
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: [any]
 
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#531 ·
I'm glad I went to shootout. I learned alot. As far as the winner is concerned, the Elite is really the superior TV. It dominated 3 out of the 5 categories in the shootout voting and came a close second on the forth. As far as I'm concerned, the color issue will be resolved. I'm pretty confident about that. I'm glad that the calibrators saw the flaw on the one color, but to be honest, I like blue more. :) When we were watching Tron for example, it may have been the director's intention for the character's color of his suit to be green, but we all know it should have been blue to be accurate to the original. :) Once this is "fixed", I'll probably be annoyed by the colors. Haha I've been reading alot, maybe not on this board, but in general about the audience in attendance and the favoritism toward plasmas. To be honest, my friend and I felt that notion as well. As an example of that, one of the speakers indicated how "we all know plasmas are the way to go" or something to that effect. Id say 99% of the people started saying "yea" or nodded their head in agreement. I feel that can cause impartiality. I tried to stay neutral in my voting. In example, I gave the Elite's color accuracy a hit since it was clearly not what the other TVs were showing. Instead of having a voting system, maybe we should just post the results of the testing and take it for what it's worth. Also, I recommend maybe we should show some video game content in next year's shootout. Considering there are alot of us who play online or competitively, it may open more insight on the TVs capability.
 
#534 ·
Now that the shootout sealed the deal for me. Regarding the Elite, I assume I can use the RS232C port to control the TV. Question, where can I get a list of the supported commands? Secondly, can the Elite be controlled via IP (Ethernet port)? If so, where can I get a list of the supported commands?

FYI - I’m currently using the iRule HD app on my iPad.


Thanks!
 
#537 ·
I own a 70 Elite, so I came to Sunday's shootout with some obvious bias. But I think I was able to keep an open mind and listened carefully to all of the presentations, Q&A and discussions that took place. I took lots of notes, some were even readable later. Here's some of my random thoughts:

1. The Samsung PN59D8000 had the best color to me (nice to know my untrained eyes saw some of the same things as D-Nice). The VT30 looked good until D-Nice showed some scenes where everyone had a suntan. The Elite's color looked undersaturated and off axis viewing was very washed out (I was sitting next to the door so I was really off axis). Fortunately I don't have off axis issues in my room. I do notice the color saturation issues at home in THX and ISF day/night...and hope to address that soon with guidance from VE.

2. The black level and contrast ratio comparisons, both in a dark room and with the lights on, were remarkable even to my untrained eyes. The Elite did really well, better than all the plasma's and was as black as the Samsung and Sony LCDs, and they were turned OFF. From my notes the Elite contrast was 15,194 to 1. The next closest was 6,000ish to 1 (the VT30). The worst was 600-ish (LG). Elite Black level was .0004 (as noted previously). The others were higher (I can't read my notes, I wrote as fast as Kevin spoke and that's a bad combo for reading later).

3. The presentation showing no blooming on the Elite (vs the other LCDs) was very revealing. I felt bad for the Sony that had the bad luck to be right next to the Elite.

4. The Cyan issue with the Elite was noticeable once I was told what to look for. I've never noticed it at home in every day viewing over the last 30 days or so. Kudos to Ken for picking it up early; same to the calibrators for confirming it and speaking openly about it on both shootout days and in forum posts, and for the manufacturer for their commitment to address it...well, maybe I'll wait to give them kudos until after they fix it.

5. The Motion resolution and judder tests were also revealing. The D8000 almost made me puke from motion sickness...then the Samsung rep had them correct a setting and it was fine. Glad he was there, it would have been hard to continue viewing it with my sushi all over the front. The Elite looked very sharp and judder free with 120 low. The VT30 was also very good. I changed my settings to 120 low as soon as I got home.

6. Kevin and D-Nice were asked what factors were most important in evaluating a TV. Both seemed to give equal weight to contrast ratio and color accuracy. On that basis they couldn't call the Elite "best" due to the cyan issue. D-Nice did say publicly that if Elite fixes the cyan, it would be his top rated set. Given how well the Elite did with contrast, it's hard to argue with that logic.

7. In my voting I had the Elite tops in black level and contrast ratio, the D8000 tops in color accuracy, the VT30, D8000 and Elite more or less tied for 3rd in motion resolution and general content video quality. Based on my math, the Elite did very well but didn't win...nor did it "kill" anyone's Kuro. Robert's "reveal" of his Kuro behind the painting was fun. It is beautiful for sure.

8. To my eye, contrast tops color accuracy. But on the basis of all of the above I'm not sure I would rate the Elite above the 2 plasmas overall and frankly I was surprised that the Elite won the shootout.

9. That said, if you have a lot of ambient light in your room (like me), I think the Elite is an appropriate solution to consider. It does great in a bright room. I just can't see either the D8000 or VT30 doing as well in terms of color or reflections in my sunroom. But I'll never know for sure now .

For now I want to get the cyan issue fixed, explore the saturation issues further, and then figure out if my 70 will need to be re-calibrated (and who will be responsible for that cost).

And finally, many thanks to Robert, Wendy, their kids and staff at VE for a great event. And to all the calibration professionals (D-Nice, Kevin, Ed) and manufacturer's reps in attendance who made the 4 hours a very worthy investment in my time.

Regards to all,

Jim
 
#544 ·
I was there Sunday. The Elite was a beautiful display, howver, the cyan error stopped me from picking it number one. IMO, the D8000 plasma edged out the VT30 as the best in show. If Panasonic and Elite correct there color errors, then the Samsung wou
D be third.
 
#549 ·
So true Sycore ....

I think that we all owe some "Props", "Kudos" and (since I don't really know what those are) some gratitude to Ken Ross, who correctly identified the Elite color problem well before the Shootout and brought it to our attention. AND, certainly in my book he has earned an extra measure of "Cred" for all his future posts !

Thanks Ken, for all your valuable input !
 
#550 · (Edited)
That was all Ken. He has been pointing out the cyan flaw for weeks and I don't think many others even noticed. Supposedly, even the experts at the shootout really didn't notice it when calibrating, only when they put them next to the other calibrated sets and after viewing certain scenes did it become apparent.
 
#556 ·
Mmmm, it's not very clear. For one it is 3d THX certified like the Elite, and the set retails there for about 10.000$. The 735 has a contrast ratio stated by sharp to be 6.000.000:1, and this one has a 15.000.000:1. And it also has the same item number as the Elite (70X5)... But it sure doesn't look half as nice.
Maybe that will be the model that is introduced to the world, as it looks like the Elite is US exclusive.
 
#558 ·
I'm starting to think that there are at least 3 Firmware versions out there. When BFJ69 and I went down the day Robert got the 70 in August, THX mode was easily the best mode. One distinct feature we noted was the actual ability to turn the yellow sub pixel off, which was automatically the case in that mode. However, you were able to turn it on if you chose to, but looked really off. In fact, when I received the 70 and tried THX mode, there was noticeably too much yellow on the screen. I tried to turn the yellow subpixel off, but the option wasn't there. The second firmware version has to be what the 60" owners had. They noticed some other issues, but also noted that THX mode showed alot of yellow. Therefore between Robert's august released 70 and the 60" owners sets, THX mode got messed up. The version that I received didn't have to be updated since mine came with the latest firmware which the 60" owners needed to update to. Since D-Nice stated the 70" Rob had on display had issues means that he must have updated the firmware since he originally received it. I'm just trying to give some insight at least with what I've seen.
 
#559 ·
I meant BFJ96 ;-) my bad
 
#561 ·
Been super busy lately still loving every moment I spend with my ELITE. I went and saw a movie this weekend "THE THING." I was telling myself while watching it how much better it would have looked on my ELITE. I will never look at the Movie Theature's the same anymore after this day lol. But I guess there is still the tasty overpriced popcorn to look foward to. ;p
 
#566 ·
I was in Best Buy the other night picking up a few things and couldn't help mosseying into the "Magnolia" area where they had both the 60X5FD and 70X5fd newly installed. The 70 inch was in its own area with theater seats in front so people could sit there and watch the tv for a while. They were playing the Lion King, which looked fantastic. It's hard to tell much on cartoons playing but it was very impressive. The 60 inch was installed on a wall with several other high end TVs, and it looked good except its colors were very washed out and desaturated. I was chatting up the Magnolia employee and she took out the remote and switched 60X5FD from THX Movie mode to Elite Pure and the color looked 100% better. At the VE shootout, several people noted that the color of the Elite looked under saturated compared to several other TVs, particularly the Samsung PN59D8000 next to it (separate issue from the cyan decoding issue). I believe because of the local-dimming being turned off when trying to calibrate color in the ISF modes, the calibrators mentioned that they calibrated the THX Movie mode. It seems maybe this mode has under saturated colors? But you would think the calibration would fix that, or at least I would. :scratch: Maybe it measures well, but looks a little off? Has anyone who has the TV noticed under-saturated colors in the THX Movie mode? What mode are you using on the TV - Elite Pure?
 
#567 ·
I notice this on my 70 in isf day/nite and 3d modes and also THX Movie. Have discussed it at length on another forum. I find myself going to Optimum mode, especially when watching sports. I like the color better than Elite Pure and it doesn't burn my retina like Dynamic does. I'm hoping they address this with the cyan software fix. Would prefer to use my ISF settings but they aren't bright enough for my room and colors (especially green) look very dull and grey.
 
#568 ·
#571 ·
Congratulations Hutchinshouse!

Enjoy,

-Robert
 
#572 ·
Thanks Robert! Thank you for all the solid info on the TV. If I lived on the east coast, without a doubt I would have bought it from you. Thanks again for the shootout. I’m looking forward to next year, AND the Elite retaining its crown as the king. It’s crazy; the next firmware version will only make this TV stronger.

I was looking at the Elite and the VT30. It was a very close race. I just thought the Elite had a stronger picture overall.
 
#573 ·
Thank you Hutchinshouse, I'm a serious a/v enthusiast just like most members and visitors on HTS. However, just so all visitors and members know we ship Nationwide from 21 distribution locations.

I just upgraded our personal 60" Elite Signature Series PRO-141FD to the new Elite PRO-70X5FD and my family is also enjoying the best TV for 2011. We waited till now as no other display could deliver a pq that would stand up to the image quality of the 2008 Elite Kuros.

Enjoy!

-Robert
 
#575 ·
Hi All,

I am interested in the 60 inch elite and wanted to ask, I know it comes with two 3d glasses. If I wanted more, do I have to get sharp elite glasses? Or can another manufacturer 3d glasses work?
 
#576 ·
trippiej, very good question; we tested every available 3D glasses on every TV in our shoot-out and for the Elite it's defiantly best to use the original Sharp Elite glasses.

-Robert
 
#577 · (Edited)
Thanks for the information. I see in the manual to contact Elite for ordering more glasses. Thanks once again!
 
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