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The Elite PRP-605XFD and PRO-70X5FD.

Intelligent Variable Contrast
RGBY+Y Pixel Color Technology
Precision Color Plus Pixel Technology
Gen-Ten LCD / UV2A Brightness
FluidMotion Smoothness
Full Array LED Backlighting
Local LED Dimming

Kevin Miller's Review.
"The PRO-60X5FD, a full array LED backlit LCD panel with Local Dimming Technology, produces superior blacks to the vaunted reference Pioneer Elite panels, and is definitely one of the best performing most color accurate flat panel displays available today."

This is my 1st post so I'm unable to list any URL's but I just thought I'd post a few pointers to get the conversation going. If you find any new news or professional reviews on this display please post it here. Additionally if you own the Elite or plan on getting one I'd love to here what you have to say, thanks.


CNET Settings:

Below you'll find the settings we found best for viewing the Sharp Elite PRO-60X5FD in a dim room via the HDMI input at 1080p/24 resolution. Your settings may vary depending on source, room conditions, and personal preference. Check out the Picture settings and calibration FAQ for more information.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9996461-1.html

--Picture Settings menu

AV MODE: MOVIE THX
Intelligent Variable Contrast: Local Dimming On
OPC: Off
Backlight: +1
Contrast: +32
Brightness: +1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced sub-menu

C.M.S. -Hue
R: 0
Y: +3
G: +4
C: +2
B: -3
M: +3

C.M.S. -Saturation
R: +3
Y: -2
G: -1
C: +1
B: +1
M: 0

C.M.S. -Value
R: +2
Y: +2
G: 0
C: -12
B: +3
M: -2

Color Temp sub-menu:
Color Temp: Low [grayed out when 10 Point is "On]

[10 Point Setting Off]
R Gain (LO): +1
G Gain (LO): -5
B Gain (LO): -3
R Gain (HI): +2
G Gain (HI): -4
B Gain (HI): -4

[10 Point Setting On]
Position +1: R Gain +2, G Gain 0, B Gain 0
Position +2: R Gain 0, G Gain -4, B Gain -3
Position +3: R Gain 0, G Gain -5, B Gain -5
Position +4: R Gain 0, G Gain -3, B Gain -2
Position +5: R Gain 0, G Gain -4, B Gain -4
Position +6: R Gain 0, G Gain -3, B Gain -5
Position +7: R Gain -2, G Gain -5, B Gain -5
Position +8: R Gain -1, G Gain -6, B Gain -6
Position +9: R Gain 0, G Gain -5, B Gain +5
Position +10: R Gain 0, G Gain 0, B Gain -1

Motion Enhancement: 120Hz Low
Quad Pixel Plus: Off
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: 0
Film Mode: Off
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: [any]
 
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I know it is not the best option but I have to do some compromise to get what I want and to get what my wife wants. She wouldn't care less what type of tv.

I don't think anybody has done this so will look around. My only concern is the light exposure due to the double glass that is used for the mirror on/off look.

Thanks all for assisting. :)
 
#2,471 ·
Thanks DJG. Yeah.. I am also concerned. I just wish there was some way to see this "option" in place. Unfortunatley, I don't think any retail establishment has this available.. I am still investigating but if it isn't possible for me to test prior to my purchase, I will just forget it and get the elite without the mirror "option"..
 
#2,472 ·
Images of the day.




All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.
 
#2,475 ·
Images of the day.



All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.
 
#2,476 ·
Images of the day.



All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.
 
#2,479 ·
Images of the day.



All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.
 
#2,480 ·
Images of the day.



All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.
 
#2,481 ·
Images of the day.


All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.
 
#2,482 ·
Images of the day.


All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.
 
#2,483 ·
Images of the day.


All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.
 
#2,485 ·
Image of the day.

All Images were taken in RAW format and in ISF-Night picture mode.
 
#2,490 ·
DJG said:
You'll need to elaborate on what you don't like and what specific setting values you have tried ...
Well I have tried it on every av mode OOTB and it either looks a bit washed out or over saturated or too bright. I also tried the CNET settings and a couple recommended here. My biggest complaint is that it looks washed out - like I would expect from an LCD - but not from this set. It has moments of brilliance though with blu ray and 3D so it's teetering on the edge of stunning sometimes. I am excited to see what changes someone who actually knows what they are doing can make.
 
#2,491 ·
This sounds strange. In the best settings you tried, were the blacks solid but not enough brightness and or color saturation? I have no problem getting solid blacks, more than enough enough brightness and plenty color saturation, ergo not washed out. I'm trying to comprehend what is causing the washed-out look. Lack of blacks? Lack of brightness? Lack of color saturation?

What IVC settings have you tried?
 
#2,494 ·
Well I had the calibration done last night. I haven't had much of a chance to look at it yet as my calibrator was having some difficulty with his Calman software and the calibration went on well into the night. He calibrated ISF Day and Night. From what I have seen , I think the Day looks good but the Night not so much. I will have to look at it some more. He is supposed to be emailing me the calibration results.
 
#2,503 ·
I was using the HD setting on the Darblett. I'm about 10-11 ft away from the TV.
 
#2,504 ·
Just to let people know - Kevin Miller had the opportunity with a Lumagen and attempted a custom LUT with it on the Elite. He said it was an utter failure and ruined the picture. The panel changes the color's luminance during the process totally destroying the color in the process. He was forced to do a complete rest on the Lumagen and do it from scratch without the 5x5x5. Therefore, there is no cyan fix for those that were curious through the 5x5x5 with Calman and a Lumagen.

On another note, Kevin had the opportunity to review the Darblett which he will post on HTS. Since a lot of owners on here use it, I figured I'd pass this info along. He said that the unit "causes massive edge enhancement, raises black level, and changes the orginal video source drastically."
 
#2,507 ·
Let's let Kevin speak for himself. I find the quote unlikely as no one else has found a rise in black level. I suspect some misunderstanding or miscommunication is in play here.
 
#2,509 ·
Same here i have not seen any reports regarding raised black levels when using the Darblet.
Here's a report:

No Darblet in the chain, Darblet in the chain set to 0, Darblet in the chain set to 120% in all three modes - all cases measured exactly the same - 0.011 cd/m2 = 0.00321 FtL

Conclusion: The Darblet does not alter black MLL.

As to that earlier mention of edge enhancement, no, not in the sense of a display Sharpness control adding content. Not even a little bit. I studied it pixel by pixel.
 
#2,511 ·
Here's a report:

No Darblet in the chain, Darblet in the chain set to 0, Darblet in the chain set to 120% in all three modes - all cases measured exactly the same - 0.011 cd/m2 = 0.00321 FtL

Conclusion: The Darblet does not alter black MLL.

As to that earlier mention of edge enhancement, no, not in the sense of a display Sharpness control adding content. Not even a little bit. I studied it pixel by pixel.
Is this using patterns or content? In my macro shots, the whites of the stars in Avatar clearly brightened at 75%. But it's not a universal across the board raising of the brightness. Just certain areas are raised. Same with blacks.

I think a better conclusion is that yes it does alter white/black levels in some areas of the content. But not in a measurable way with patterns. And you studied all ~2 million pixels Buzz? :unbelievable:

I'm going to copy these posts to the Darblet thread. Let's carry on the discussion there rather than the Elite thread shall we?
 
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