Danley Sound Labs, DTS-10 " Super Spud" kit and build thread

[brandonnash]

myn wrote:

Unlike traditional alignments, horns don't rely so heavily on XMAX. Infact, using high XMAX drivers in a horn will lead to "throat overload". The pressure inside the horn path gets to a point where a negative pressure wave creates a vacuum effect causing turbulence and compression within the horn ultimately resulting in distortion.

The original Adire Tempest (Manufactured by Eminence) was a popular horn driver. How close are the original's t/s to the new Tempest-X?

ec114 wrote:

True, at frequencies where the horn is really "in effect." However, these guys are talking about wanting the high-xmax drivers specifically for lower frequencies, when the loading at the throat is decreasing...

Both good explanations. I'm still learning about horns so any bit can help for me. I know there are tons of people out there who have good knowledge of sealed, ported, or bandpass enclosures but no experience with horns (I'm one of them but one step at a time right!!). Still waiting on our shipment of the prototypes but will update when we get them with some nice pics and assembly thoughts.

[jreaves1637]

I may have over looked this but any idea on when this will be available and the final price? How would something like this compare to a sealed or ported setup from like ed or svs ?

[Ryan Anderson]

myn wrote:

Unlike traditional alignments, horns don't rely so heavily on XMAX. Infact, using high XMAX drivers in a horn will lead to "throat overload". The pressure inside the horn path gets to a point where a negative pressure wave creates a vacuum effect causing turbulence and compression within the horn ultimately resulting in distortion.

The original Adire Tempest (Manufactured by Eminence) was a popular horn driver. How close are the original's t/s to the new Tempest-X?

would simply building the enclosure on a larger scale fix this...can you use a driver with more displacement and get more output if everything is larger within ratio?

[brandonnash]

jreaves1637 wrote:

I may have over looked this but any idea on when this will be available and the final price? How would something like this compare to a sealed or ported setup from like ed or svs ?

You can order now but the kits are still 2-4 weeks out (had a mad rush on drivers so they've run out). Contact their main office on pricing as shipping will vary. Compared to standard or ported subs this will be around 10 dB more efficient. Some areas more, but that's about an average. Just like Ricci posted, this is a BIG subwoofer. It has some ups and downs. Performance is it's huge plus but you won't have that nice looking piece that will just blend with your furniture. It's just a big box.

Ryan Anderson wrote:

would simply building the enclosure on a larger scale fix this...can you use a driver with more displacement and get more output if everything is larger within ratio?

I'm still learning day by day how all the specs interact with the enclosures, but from everything I have seen talked about you can't really use a high excursion driver and keep the enclosure smaller than the size of a car. It's really less about the excursion and more about motor strength and impedance matching. I wish I could explain better, but I really don't know.

[Ryan Anderson]

well I been considering doing a HUGE horn in-car, it goes back and forth from LLT and that...same driver(s) though

[jreaves1637]

I am a newbie at some of this so please excuse me. Does this sub play loud, low and provide any punchy bass? How many ohms is it and would 1000wrms feed to it be ok?

[brandonnash]

Loud...yes very. Mike heddon of danley just updated us yesterday that when they went to show east (movie theater tradeshow) and said they took the dts 10 with them along with the th50 and the th221 monster. The th50 did nearly 130 db in my room (4000+ cubic feet) with very little wattage. Mike said the dts 10 did everything the th50 did in terms of output and sound quality but also added a lot of extension.

Low...yes very. Mike also said they played a 15 hz sine wave and switched between the 3 subwoofers and he couldn't tell a difference in the dts 10 and the th221 at 15 hz. The th50 couldn't do 15 hz justice (it did in my room so the dts 10 should be crazy).

Punchy...don't know yet. Will let you know. Can't remember impedance but I think that the drivers are 3 ohms nominal each but don't quote me. Will have to look that up. 1000 watts will be optimal.
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[jreaves1637]

yea I called Danley sound labs and talked with them (I hate to use someone name) and they were very nice. He said the ohms is 4 and 1000wrms would work well with the dts10. He said in my room 3000 cu ft this would be easily capable of filling that room. I am currently trying to sale 2 subs I have now to then purchase the dts10.

[brandonnash]

The enclosure kit came today. Waiting on the drivers from Tom Danley's house. Hopeful for delivery tomorrow. The enclosure box is huge Huge HUGE HUGE!! Ivan Beaver of Danley said there really is only 3 large pieces and most of the rest is bubble wrap. Here's a couple teaser pics.

[Mike P.]

Wow! How much does it weigh?