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 View Poll Results: Do High audio cables make a difference? Makes no appreciable difference 5 20.00% It makes a difference, in my bank balance 6 24.00% It makes a difference, but is not measurable 2 8.00% The difference is measurable if heard 3 12.00% As long as the cable is well constructed there is no difference 15 60.00% They make a difference that is heard 2 8.00% Yes, the difference is clearly audible and an improvement. 0 0% Yes, high end cables blow away the stock cables that come with most equipment 1 4.00% The difference is clearly audible, but not an improvement 0 0% Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 25. You may not vote on this poll

Old 03-24-16, 07:15 PM
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This article is nothing but red meat for the crowd that can't detect a difference between cables. I think it is nothing more than flame bait. I was actually surprised you didn't have any really positive answers in your "poll" either. Not worth a response IMO.

If you are truly interested in the subject you should also post an article with an opposing point of view.

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Old 03-24-16, 07:42 PM
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has anyone doe the math on resistance vs. the frequency of the signal being sent? Most of what I heard was in the higher end frequencies in the cymbals range. Resistance does change with frequency and many might forget the conventional math for resistance is based on 60hz. do it again factoring skin affect at say 4-6khz and this small change could very well be a substantial change

Remember your dealing with output signals from the xlr to the amp so a minor change gets amplified 22x+ after the amp as well.
Resistance independent of frequency, is a constant and a component of impedance. Reactance is frequency dependent, its magnitude changing with frequency, and the other component of impedance. Please keep in mind people that the distributed values of capacitance, inductance and resistance is a factor of 1000 to 10000 times lower than what the amplifier sees from the speaker. It has very little effect in signal conduction, especially at the very VERY low audio frequencies (20Khz is considered bass) compared to how high the frequencies can go before cable's distributed resistance, reactance and capacitance take affect.
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This article is nothing but red meat for the crowd that can't detect a difference between cables. I think it is nothing more than flame bait. I was actually surprised you didn't have any really positive answers in your "poll" either. Not worth a response IMO.

If you are truly interested in the subject you should also post an article with an opposing point of view.
This isn't a positive?
The difference is measurable if heard
It makes a difference, but is not measurable

Also, I selected to allow write ins but it didn't take, and now it can't be changed as far as I know.

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Old 03-24-16, 09:26 PM
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Resistance independent of frequency, is a constant and a component of impedance. Reactance is frequency dependent, its magnitude changing with frequency, and the other component of impedance. Please keep in mind people that the distributed values of capacitance, inductance and resistance is a factor of 1000 to 10000 times lower than what the amplifier sees from the speaker. It has very little effect in signal conduction, especially at the very VERY low audio frequencies (20Khz is considered bass) compared to how high the frequencies can go before cable's distributed resistance, reactance and capacitance take affect.
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Old 03-24-16, 10:01 PM Thread Starter
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I was able to add one more poll... if you want another one let me know what you want. I no longer can offer the write in option as it isn't available anymore. I believe 1 more than i have up now is the max.

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Old 03-25-16, 07:09 AM
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Those specs mean nothing for just the bare cable... you need to include the connectors and the whole cable after assembly.
What I meant to show is that the specs mean nothing to me, I don't know the specs from beans. I tend to believe that any well branded cable these days will have been properly manufactured. Without giving the cables, be they interconnects or speaker cables, imo the only test is listening. If lamp cord sounds great in a given system then nothing more needs to be done but plug it in and smile. I do disagree with the thought that 18 gauge cable is adequate in a substantive rig as I think it is not made to carry the electrical properties involved in our hobby. Multiple 18 gauge cable wound about each other might just work fine.

What I think happens is that the cable companies use marketing hype and far out terminology to make the uninitiated think they might be getting something special, which may or may not be true. Its easy for me to say any very expensive cables are not worth the money because in my world, I dont have the money. I have not heard the multi thousand dollar stuff out there on the market so I cannot have an opinion. Oops, did I say I have not heard it.....yes I did. Never the less, if we read every banner on cable web sites, including Blue Jeans, and I do like me some Blue Jeans, we would get the impression that they are all the best. This is especially true when the universal words are used....Valhalla, Grand Reference, Absolute Dream etc are used in the naming process.

I realize I am in the minority here in that measurements don't really matter unless there is a gross problem inherent in the cable that I can hear. If I cannot hear the problem than...well there is no problem. I do think that most of the advertisements are indeed hype and are used to sell more cable. I do believe that using a good quality solidly built cable with properly secured terminations would be good in almost any system. I do believe that if one wants to experiment, they can find that some cables are gooder than others in any given system. For me, the zillion tiny strand cables such as the original monster tend to allow my system to sound a bit bright while Blue Jeans tend to impart a more natural sound to me. Your mileage may vary.

Sorry for being annoying but this is my strong belief. Jack has left the building

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Old 03-25-16, 07:13 AM
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I was able to add one more poll... if you want another one let me know what you want. I no longer can offer the write in option as it isn't available anymore. I believe 1 more than i have up now is the max.
I am such a fussy bunny, but, I believe that if the last option lost the word "Easily" I could go for that one. The differences can be heard, but it seems obvious by our posts that differences are not easily heard if heard at all.

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Old 03-25-16, 08:58 AM
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This isn't a positive?
The difference is measurable if heard
It makes a difference, but is not measurable

Also, I selected to allow write ins but it didn't take, and now it can't be changed as far as I know.
No that is not a positive. Here is an example

Yes, the difference is clearly audible and an improvement.
Yes, the difference is measurable and audible.
Yes, high end cables blow away the stock cables that come with most equipment.

So are you going to post an opposing point of view as well? You want to give all sides to the argument right?

https://passlabs.com/articles/speake...e-or-snake-oil

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/powercords.html

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I am such a fussy bunny, but, I believe that if the last option lost the word "Easily" I could go for that one. The differences can be heard, but it seems obvious by our posts that differences are not easily heard if heard at all.
Easily has been removed.

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No that is not a positive. Here is an example

Yes, the difference is clearly audible and an improvement.
Yes, the difference is measurable and audible.
Yes, high end cables blow away the stock cables that come with most equipment.

So are you going to post an opposing point of view as well? You want to give all sides to the argument right?

https://passlabs.com/articles/speake...e-or-snake-oil

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/powercords.html
I added #1, and #3 of your suggestions... I am not adding #2 as it is virtually identical to what I already had posted "The difference is measurable if heard"

Just to be clear... Just because something is clearly audible doesn't mean it is an improvement. So I also added The difference is clearly audible, but not an improvement.

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