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**Doug Plumb** · **10-23-07, 07:00 AM**

I agree with the viewpoint espoused on the JREF forum, but the JREF forum has already lost credibility with me from another issue.

They are sneaky and underhanded.

**eugovector** · **10-23-07, 12:38 PM**

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Doug Plumb wrote:

I agree with the viewpoint espoused on the JREF forum, but the JREF forum has already lost credibility with me from another issue.

They are sneaky and underhanded.

Care to link or elaborate?

**Sonnie** · **10-23-07, 01:01 PM**

I would discuss the JREF issue privately.

Although the cable story, as public as it is, might be an interesting podcast snip Marshall.

**eugovector** · **10-23-07, 01:02 PM**

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terry j wrote:

http://www.randi.org/joom/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=103&Itemid=2

Just got done reading that and 3 other posts, what a mess.

Someone on here must have a lot of money that could spare $8k on cables. Somebody set up this test and let's just do it.

**eugovector** · **10-23-07, 01:09 PM**

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Sonnie wrote:

I would discuss the JREF issue privately.

Although the cable story, as public as it is, might be an interesting podcast snip Marshall.

Yeah, I mentioned it last week, but I don't know if I'll do a followup until some more things shake out. This latest exchange really is embarrassing for both side, regardless of how I personally feel.

**Otto** · **10-23-07, 02:34 PM**

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eugovector wrote:

This latest exchange really is embarrassing for both side, regardless of how I personally feel.

No kiddin'. I like James Randi, but this whole thing makes both sides look like a bunch of name-calling babies. I hope they can work something out in the name of the test, but I'd prefer it be with as little animosity as possible.

**Doug Plumb** · **10-23-07, 03:03 PM**

"Care to link or elaborate?"

They didn't like that I was slaying them in an argument so they posted me personal info on their group. Many other underhanded tricks.

**eugovector** · **10-23-07, 06:59 PM**

Tell you what, put me down for $20. Let's raise the money, and personally ask Michael to make this happen.

Total reached: $20
Goal: $7400
Needed:$7380

**terry j** · **10-23-07, 07:43 PM**

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Doug Plumb wrote:

"Care to link or elaborate?"

They didn't like that I was slaying them in an argument so they posted me personal info on their group. Many other underhanded tricks.

Was that randii personally or just the whole 'gang'. It can get very 'fanlike' on the forums etc.

This must be some sort of indication of what goes on all the time in the paranormal area. I think it would wear me down quite quickly.

I have seen MF speak and write like that before, possibly on one of the 'rebel' audio sites like Peter Aczel or something. Seems his communications (when upset) all come out of the same mold.

Surely the reference $16 000 cables are suitable? Sure, they might not have been described as danceable, but a quick review somewhere can change that. Either expensive high blown audiophool speaker cables are snake oil or they ain't. Don't see what the name on it has to do with anything.

**10-24-07, 10:29 AM**

The biggest problem with the test is that Randi gets to pick the cables.

What if it were he, and you got to pick the cables and the equipment?

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