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We have discovered another issue with our evaluation. We wanted to try each speaker on the stage to get an impression of how well it would do closer to a rear wall, in a more realistic location for most people. So far, everything sounds better farther out into the room like we found with the last sessions. Adding this location, combined with the fact that we have more tracks in our sample, is extending the time it takes. But to me, speakers of this quality beg for more listening. The dilemma is just how much time to spend on each speaker.

Of course part of the problem is that we are trying to be more thorough with the evaluations and give as much info as possible.

This is fun, but it is a challenge.
I am going to point out that we started talking about the time spent while I was sitting in the "Kirk" location (captains chair, MLP for those scoring at home) - obviously, I am boggarting good music listening time!
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Yeah, but it was Sonnie that we kicked out of the chair.

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Yeah, but it was Sonnie that we kicked out of the chair.
Man you guys are a cold bunch... Kicking a man out of his chair in his own home theater. What a tough bunch you guys are.

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Man you guys are a cold bunch... Kicking a man out of his chair in his own home theater. What a tough bunch you guys are.
Could be worse - we could have subjected him to my cooking!

After about a day and a half of activities, I must say how pleased and excited I am to be part of this. And, I have also discovered just how much more I have to learn to "catch" up to these guys.
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Yeah, but it was Sonnie that we kicked out of the chair.
EXACTLY! Don't let Joe poor-mouth you all... as I (moi) was the one penalized first!!! I am the one that had to suffer and shorten my time.

Oh... and it's the FRONT wall, not the rear wall. It is in front of me, not to my rear.

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Re: The Official $2,500 Speaker Evaluation / Home Audition Event

While I won't give any hints or teasers about the speaker evaluations themselves, I don't have a problem talking about the process as we go. We are learning a lot about how to get to the best locations for the speakers and how to gather the most information.

We are concluding that stages, like the one Sonnie has for his HT, are not a good idea for serious 2 channel listening. The height of the speaker is not ideal for music, but fine for movies with the screen height. Also, we continue to confirm that for best soundstage farther out into the room is generally better, up to the point that the listening position can accommodate. Rear ported and dipoles seem to also benefit more from moving away from the front wall.

Speaker toe in angle has been consistently found to be critical for best image presentation, more with some speakers than others, but to some degree with all.

These sessions also confirm what I learned last time about listening position. I can learn a lot from listening from the second row, or even walking around the room. The limits of the sweet spot and the ability to reveal detail can be learned from outside the prime listening position. When I hear the delicacy of how some speakers handle things like harmonies from the back row, I know there is something special going on. Not having the distraction (perhaps a poor choice of words there ) of the image and soundstage presentation can actually afford attending to other aspects of the sound.

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I did not say "rear wall," no not me.

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When I had my ML setup I found that the speakers did their best 3-5' from any walls... I am assuming you are finding the same results with other types of speakers. My Paradigms were the first speakers that I had tried close to the walls and they sounded good but I imagine they would have sounded better away from the walls too. My LaScalas are in the corners against the wall and they sound awesome... I don't have the room to try them away from the walls so they will stay where they are.

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While I won't give any hints or teasers about the speaker evaluations themselves, I don't have a problem talking about the process as we go. We are learning a lot about how to get to the best locations for the speakers and how to gather the most information. We are concluding that stages, like the one Sonnie has for his HT, are not a good idea for serious 2 channel listening. The height of the speaker is not ideal for music, but fine for movies with the screen height. Also, we continue to confirm that for best soundstage farther out into the room is generally better, up to the point that the listening position can accommodate. Rear ported and dipoles seem to also benefit more from moving away from the front wall. Speaker toe in angle has been consistently found to be critical for best image presentation, more with some speakers than others, but to some degree with all. These sessions also confirm what I learned last time about listening position. I can learn a lot from listening from the second row, or even walking around the room. The limits of the sweet spot and the ability to reveal detail can be learned from outside the prime listening position. When I hear the delicacy of how some speakers handle things like harmonies from the back row, I know there is something special going on. Not having the distraction (perhaps a poor choice of words there ) of the image and soundstage presentation can actually afford attending to other aspects of the sound.
Nice post! Very insightful. If you don't mind me asking, about how far from MLP are you setting the speakers up at? 5ft,10ft etc...... How far does that put it from the front wall approx.? How far apart are they being placed? I know each speaker will vary but I'm sure by now you guys have a fairly good idea of approximate placement in the room correct?
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Re: The Official $2,500 Speaker Evaluation / Home Audition Event

We will post the measurements for the final listening positions as well as pictures. If you refer to the $1000 eval results, the position of the Arx turns out to be pretty good for most speakers. We keep finding that it is a good starting point.

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