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We are defining it, for our purposes, as a pair set up with soundstage and imaging optimized. Would have liked to see the reactions of test subjects with the soundstage of the Dynaudio or Paradigm or Arx as we had them set up.
There may be a very good reason why Harman avoided this conundrum. What is "optimized imaging" for a recorded stereo construct? Ever been to a studio to witness this construction?
How would one measure to confirm, that it was indeed "optimized" (like FR)? Against what reference?
We are looking at some form of preference here, rather than optimization IMHO.

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Oh, btw, spatial reproduction can be measured utilizing tools such as interferometry, but "optimization" of a stereo construct in another matter entirely.
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No doubt about it, what we are talking about is pretty much in the subjective realm right now. I would like to find ways to change that.

I am aware of many of the techniques used to create the phenomena in a recordings, and have given thought to ways to create standardized recordings that might help make objective evaluation possible, but there is no work that I am aware of in the industry that can do this. That makes it difficult to apply in a rigorous study.

For our evaluations, we are defining it the best we can. We are able to repeat the phenomenon consistently and many ears have witnessed it, so we are confident that it is repeatable and stable, not a fleeting thing. We are doing what we can to document our setup techniques so others may reproduce it for comparison. Not scientifically rigorous, but attempting to point in that general direction.
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Plus, it is a bit of a shame, although understandable at the same time, that such a wonderful phenomenon be essentially denied to exist because it is difficult to define and measure.
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How would one measure to confirm, that it was indeed "optimized" (like FR)? Against what reference? We are looking at some form of preference here, rather than optimization IMHO.
Very good point, can't stop thinking about it. The reference is what is missing, a standard against which one can say they are 50% or 90% or 99% "there." That and tools to help listeners to achieve it consistently and without special training.
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This thread has officially gone over my head......lol
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This thread has officially gone over my head......lol
Thanks for the nudge, Mike. I concur. We will carry on any further discussions about imaging and soundstage in the How do you define good Imaging? and good Soundstage? thread in the Two-Channel area.
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This thread has officially gone over my head......lol
Me too! My eyes glossed over a few pages back Glad I wasn't the only one!

I think about speakers for hours every day. I believe it is mental illness.
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i guess this means my bbq sauce could be perceived as tasting better than one made in tha south
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i guess this means my bbq sauce could be perceived as tasting better than one made in tha south
True but the best BBQ sauce comes from KC in a little joint called Gates
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