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Re: The Official $3,000 Speaker Evaluation / Home Audition Event

Glad you brought that up and it's great of you to put it in the review text. I wonder how the near-wall performance would have changed given the use of those plugs. The bass was the one detracting element to the review; does that mean the Axioms(with plugs) have no real weaknesses?
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Nice to read that review on the Axiom's....although, I owned some briefly I never found the critique often associated with them on these forums mostly unfounded. Many of the guys ripping on them where just piling on....as people generally like to do.

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I would think that they would have to do another listening session with the M100s using the plugs before leaping to that conclusion...

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One last question: At what volume are the tones played to determine in-room freq response? I freely admit I'm not an expert here, but reading the three evaluations so far($1K, $2.5K and $3K, plus some other Cedar Creek reviews), I'm really surprised at how many speakers have been deemed harsh or bright when pushed.....some of which do not have a reputation for being bright. I'm just wondering out loud if the sonic characteristics of that room in particular have a multiplicative response to high frequencies at higher SPLs? if a test at reference level shows a flat response, does it show a flat response at higher than reference level? Again, I have the highest respect for you guys and what you're doing here. It's refreshing to have a forum that has such a positive vibe.
Very good questions. As far as the room goes, it really does not seem to be brighter than other rooms I have worked with. If anything, the treatment keeps the highs pretty well under control.

My own ears are fairly tolerant of extended highs if they are smooth and if the distortion is low. The others seem more sensitive than I am, Leonard a little and Joe moreso, and either will catch any significant amount of mid/hf distortion - in Leonard's case it is more like a superpower.

So remember that sensitivities and preferences vary - we are reporting what we hear and telling you our sensitivities and preferences the best we can for the sake of context.

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I think you are right on. I tend to like a speaker that is somewhat lean on the bottom but goes deep, but I really am sensitive to any tendency to get harsh or bright. My priorities are well defined mid bass through upper midrange with lots of detail and very low distortion.

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Utopian:

I would think that they would have to do another listening session with the M100s using the plugs before leaping to that conclusion...

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That is unlikely to happen. I think it is a reasonable bet that it would tame it a great deal, since the issue is not bad bass, but too much.

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Glad you brought that up and it's great of you to put it in the review text. I wonder how the near-wall performance would have changed given the use of those plugs. The bass was the one detracting element to the review; does that mean the Axioms(with plugs) have no real weaknesses?
My own assessment: Take the accentuated bass and the against-the-wall muddiness out of the equation and they are very special speakers. No real weaknesses? Flawless? As in perfect? Maybe close, from my perspective, at the ideal location. Hard to say without another listen, especially for close-to-wall performance.

Edit: I would love the opportunity to give them another chance, heh, heh. But that is unlikely, short of buying a pair.
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Glad I suggested the Axiom M100, Maybe the HP M80 should be tested seeing how it's the same as the M100 but with one less woofer. The HP M80 might have better near wall performance even though Axiom has the same spec's for both.

Keep up the good work and keep on testing.
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I'd second the M80HP review.
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Axiom M100...

Imagine a soundstage with imaging that appears to go a level beyond sound waves into the realm of actually seeming to materialize in the air before you. The soundstage is carved in space with such density you feel you could walk among those solid images and explore them as they hang there, morphing at the rate of the flow of music and sound right before your eyes and ears. The image clarity and depth acuity are so precise that each image source seems outlined like the figures in cartoons from the 30's and 40's, a boundary that defines with stark clarity the edge of each sound. Every pluck, crackle, tone, drumbeat, breath, chord, kick, syllable, and every echo, delay, double, and splash of reverb, is simply popping into existence as an individual three-dimensional entity in space before you. The soundstage that POPS!
I've been following your obsession with a deep soundstage and it appears from your review that you have found something here that captures what you so intently seek. I applaud your words. The above is very well written.

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