The astounding new AS-EQ1 SubEQ goes on sale!

**Sonnie** · **06-22-09, 02:46 PM**

Yup.... and we'll all get more support from SVS... that is for sure!

**cavchameleon** · **06-23-09, 12:47 AM**

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Sonnie wrote:

Yup.... and we'll all get more support from SVS... that is for sure!

I've heard that (or I should say read that) from a lot of forum members here and at AVS. I've also emailed them originally when this unit came out to get more info and received and email the same day from SVS tech support - found that pretty impressive. I don't have any SVS equipment yet - think this will be my first (very interested in this unit).

Ray

**cavchameleon** · **06-24-09, 07:31 PM**

Very quiet in here

Any new experiences with the AS-EQ1? I think many are waiting for the August shipment (hopefully we won't be quiet until then) which is the next batch of units coming here, according to SVS.

**Sonnie** · **06-24-09, 11:52 PM**

I would like to see some more before and after measurements from those who have received theirs.

**cavchameleon** · **06-25-09, 09:19 AM**

^^^ Yep^^^

And if possible, do an average using the same mic positions in REW that were used for setup of the AS-EQ1. Even better, if someone already has an AVR with MultEQ XT, it would be great to see a comparison with and without the AS-EQ1.

Ray

**malikarshad** · **06-25-09, 10:48 AM**

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cavchameleon wrote:

^^^ Yep^^^

And if possible, do an average using the same mic positions in REW that were used for setup of the AS-EQ1. Even better, if someone already has an AVR with MultEQ XT, it would be great to see a comparison with and without the AS-EQ1.

Ray

Here is REW graph of before and after using AS-EQ1.
My Pre-pro is Integra DTC-9.8 with Audyssey MultEQ XT.Although this graph was taken with MultEQ off.
Purple line=> Before AS-EQ1
Blue line=>After AS-EQ1

**Kal Rubinson** · **06-25-09, 11:01 AM**

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malikarshad wrote:

Here is REW graph of before and after using AS-EQ1.
My Pre-pro is Integra DTC-9.8 with Audyssey MultEQ XT.Although this graph was taken with MultEQ off.
Purple line=> Before AS-EQ1
Blue line=>After AS-EQ1

Help! First, I see three traces, not two. Second, as someone who is color-handicapped, I do not know which line is which. Is there any possibility of using highly contrasting colors, like blue, red, yellow, green, instead of having them all in the blue end of the spectrum?

**Sonnie** · **06-25-09, 11:01 AM**

How many positions did you measure?

Would it be too much to ask if you could measure with MultEQ on?

Thanks!

**cavchameleon** · **06-25-09, 11:09 AM**

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Sonnie wrote:

How many positions did you measure?

Would it be too much to ask if you could measure with MultEQ on?

Thanks!

+1

Also, is that dip at 80hz due to crossovers settings?

**malikarshad** · **06-25-09, 01:28 PM**

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Kal Rubinson wrote:

Help! First, I see three traces, not two. Second, as someone who is color-handicapped, I do not know which line is which. Is there any possibility of using highly contrasting colors, like blue, red, yellow, green, instead of having them all in the blue end of the spectrum?

Sorry did not realize this. I've changed the color on the graphs. I hope this helps.
I measured 9 positions.
The xover in Pre-pro is set to 80hz so i guess that might be the cause of dip.

Red=>After AS-EQ1
Green=>With MultEQ XT before AS-EQ1
Blue=>no EQ at all (MultEQ XT off and AS-EQ1 off)

**Kal Rubinson** · **06-25-09, 01:41 PM**

Thank you so much.

Kal

**eugovector** · **06-25-09, 02:26 PM**

Respectable performance out of just the MultEQ but the AS-EQ1 definitely improves things, at least to the microphones' ears.

**malikarshad** · **06-25-09, 02:38 PM**

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eugovector wrote:

Respectable performance out of just the MultEQ but the AS-EQ1 definitely improves things, at least to the microphones' ears.

I agree. I've noticed significant difference in bass over MultEQ XT.

**Sonnie** · **06-25-09, 04:03 PM**

And we have to remember that this is after measuring 9 positions.

**cavchameleon** · **06-25-09, 04:42 PM**

Looks good malikarshad. Curious what it would look like if you did more positions (not just at ear level, but at a couple different heights in the listening area, not everyone's ear height is the same, since you have 32 to work with). Just wondering if it could be smoother (although that may be a pain with REW to replicate the same positions for averaging.

Great work!

**spearmint** · **06-26-09, 05:01 PM**

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Sonnie wrote:

I would like to see some more before and after measurements from those who have received theirs.

Hello Sonnie,

This IMO is one of the strangest releases of a new product with regard to owner’s feedback. The number of people who have bought one, and have indicated they would publish their impressions, and then nothing; likewise many don’t post their graphs.

One only need to read the hype and impressions when a new sub is released or a new AVR, yet this unit gets airplay either by potential owners, or a select few of owners.

I’m still happy with mine, next on my want list is the Audyssey Pro unit, to incorporate into my 2ch setup.

EDIT: and yes I did post a link to my graphs on page 15 of this thread (Just in case anyone wondered)

**Sonnie** · **06-26-09, 06:23 PM**

Hi Richard...

Yeah... it is strange that we have not seen any more graphs than we have, although some may not be that familiar with REW or how to post images from the program, etc.

If you are interested in the Audyssey Pro unit, which is custom installed, you might be interested in the Neptune EQ. I believe they are looking into developing a lesser expensive unit that what they offer now. Maybe it would worth talking with Ken of Neptune. They have a forum here at the Shack.

Thanks for your previously posted AS-EQ1 graphs... I did see them...

**spearmint** · **06-26-09, 07:15 PM**

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Sonnie wrote:

Hi Richard...

Yeah... it is strange that we have not seen any more graphs than we have, although some may not be that familiar with REW or how to post images from the program, etc.

If you are interested in the Audyssey Pro unit, which is custom installed, you might be interested in the Neptune EQ. I believe they are looking into developing a lesser expensive unit that what they offer now. Maybe it would worth talking with Ken of Neptune. They have a forum here at the Shack.

Thanks for your previously posted AS-EQ1 graphs... I did see them...

Hi Sonnie,

I have to admit to being slack in measuring my room using REW (excellent software BTW) for before and after, and publishing the results.

Thank you for the information on the Neptune EQ, I’ll check it out. I’ve not heard or read anything about them, so now is as good a time as any.

I realise some are reluctant to click on links which go to other forums to read information. I posted the same info on SNA and AudioENZ forums, mainly since they fall into Peter from DeepHz the Australian/New Zealand reseller of the product, customer base.

**cavchameleon** · **06-26-09, 11:48 PM**

Richard,

GREAT write-up (and incredible room!!!). Thanks for the link to your review, I did not see that before. I think that Sonnie is right, that probably many of those with this unit do not know how to use REW (or never heard of it). Hopefully I'll be getting one of these in the near future and will post by before/after graphs with REW plus a thorough listening session with and without the unit. I do like Audyssey already does to my system, just want to improve the lower end.

**TRiSS** · **06-27-09, 07:35 AM**

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cavchameleon wrote:

I think that Sonnie is right, that probably many of those with this unit do not know how to use REW (or never heard of it).

Or maybe they're all just so impressed with the results that they don't (want to) bother to measure it in REW

I ordered one, I have used rew + FBQ2496 before (thread here), and though the result was still far from perfect, it did help a lot already. Now I'm curious if the AS-EQ1 will be able to improve further... Thanks to the 45 day "trial" period, I'm only out of shipping if it doesn't...

When I get it (somewhere august I've been told) I am planning to do some before/after measurements in REW, and if by then anyone else but me is still interested, I'll post them!

**stevefish69** · **06-27-09, 05:46 PM**

My biggest tip with the EQ1 is to remove the front and place a small bit of paper behind the LED holes to mask those pesky Superbright LED's

Ed - Just a quick update on the 10db low Sub setting.

Since the Cinepro has arrived, i re-ran the level matching an all appears to be well. If you remember back, the Left channel is fixed on my Audiolab and the master volume is moved up / down to hit the 75db target. With the Parasounds, this used to be at -11db MV and with the new amp it's at -21db

I double checked with my SPL meter and when the master volume is at -11db with the gain where i now have it, both the mains and the Sub produce 85db. It looks like for some reason it was the gain input on the Parasounds that was causing the grief somehow, although i still can't get my head around it.

I do watch films at about -13 to -15db which in real terms should equate to being +8db above Ref

(If the films are mixed correctly), although IMHO it does not sound all that loud

Is there any way to turn those lights down / off via a software update or will i have to mask them from now on.

**wheatenterrier** · **06-27-09, 07:07 PM**

To me part of the point in owning the EQ1 would be that I wouldn't have to mess with REW. I could set it up and it would do its thing then I could spend my time watching DVD's and listening to music rather than faffing with REW. I have used REW and it was a pain.
I don't own the EQ1 yet but hope to get one at some point.

The only reason I would use REW is just to prove to my self that it is working.
Thanks above for posting before and after results.

**eugovector** · **06-27-09, 07:14 PM**

It's important to remember that EQ is not a magic bullet. It can compensate for, but will not fix, problems from placement, room treatment, etc. REW will allow you to get as good of performance before EQ. The closer you are to perfect before EQ, the closer you'll be after EQ. EQ will get you the last 10 yards, so to speak.

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wheatenterrier wrote:

To me part of the point in owning the EQ1 would be that I wouldn't have to mess with REW.

**BigPines** · **06-27-09, 08:11 PM**

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eugovector wrote:

It's important to remember that EQ is not a magic bullet. It can compensate for, but will not fix, problems from placement, room treatment, etc. REW will allow you to get as good of performance before EQ. The closer you are to perfect before EQ, the closer you'll be after EQ. EQ will get you the last 10 yards, so to speak.

Excellent point. It is easy to forget that we should do everything possible ourselves before using EQ. REW helps us do exactly that. EQ should always be thought of as the 'when all else fails' solution. Unfortunately, 'all else' does fail a lot!

Mike

**cavchameleon** · **06-27-09, 10:06 PM**

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wheatenterrier wrote:

To me part of the point in owning the EQ1 would be that I wouldn't have to mess with REW. I could set it up and it would do its thing then I could spend my time watching DVD's and listening to music rather than faffing with REW. I have used REW and it was a pain.
I don't own the EQ1 yet but hope to get one at some point.

The only reason I would use REW is just to prove to my self that it is working.
Thanks above for posting before and after results.

I agree. I actually do not use REW to eq anything, it's only a tool for me to look at my room response and help with placement of speakers and acoustical treatment. It may be only a tool for my purpose, but it's an AWESOME one at that!!!

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