The astounding new AS-EQ1 SubEQ goes on sale!

[Jason_Nolan]

I would like to know when SVS is going to ship, also. It would be nice to receive updates once you've given them your credit card number.

Also, I've tried going to their website for two days and I get a message that "the URL doesn't exist for that address."

Are they still in business?

[counsil]

Jason_Nolan wrote:

I would like to know when SVS is going to ship, also. It would be nice to receive updates once you've given them your credit card number.

Also, I've tried going to their website for two days and I get a message that "the URL doesn't exist for that address."

Are they still in business?

They are definitely still in business. I have had several email conversations with Ed just today.

I am getting the website errors as well. What do they say?... "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me". I am sure they are looking into other options as far as their website is concerned!

[cavchameleon]

counsil wrote:

What is the likelihood that you would need to adjust the trim level of the center (and all the other satellites for that matter) after just running MultEQ XT on your AVR (during Auto EQ Assist)? If there were differences, what would most likely be the cause? Different 1st measurement position? Differences in mics? Something else?

Running the MultEQ XT on your AVR gets all the filters and distances to the LP correct for the sats, but the SVS unit does not know the 'level's set by the AVR (it simply ping's back a 'perfect' subwoofer so that the AVR thinks that no correction is needed). The leveling step is used to match the levels to the subwoofer, using the same mic (from the AS-EQ1) for sat's and sub (no distance for the sats, just levels). Then the step to set the filters and figuring the distance is done afterwards for the sub(s).

Ray

[cavchameleon]

Jason_Nolan wrote:

I would like to know when SVS is going to ship, also. It would be nice to receive updates once you've given them your credit card number.

Also, I've tried going to their website for two days and I get a message that "the URL doesn't exist for that address."

Are they still in business?

Yep, they are still in business. They had a malware issue on their website that was being corrected (contacted Jeff from SVS on this issue and he confirmed they were working on it).

SVS will charge your card the day it ship (which is when they will give you and update via email) which is supposed to happen on or near 8/21/09 (also confirmed by Jeff at SVS). If you email them, they will contact you and answer your questions fairly quickly - they always respond to my same day or within 24 hours).

Ray

[Ron Stimpson]

Yes, of course we're still in business, though our host for the site is about to be summarily sacked.

It's just a matter of being a nice-big popular brand on the web I’m afraid. Hard to say even if we were targeted directly but suffice it to say keeping it running and being responsive is what we are.

Sorry we’ve been a bit distracted tracking down the culprit. More AS-EQ1’s are finally due in this week and will fill all back orders very rapidly once thru final QC. I must warn folks that soon as they start shipping again we’re officially WELL out of pre-order phase and will bump price to $749. Still under MSRP of $799 thanks to the recession. Quantities are still limited, so here’s your not so confidential warning.

Still more AS-EQ1’s are in production now and SVS will be back with the fabricator next month to expedite those out the door for holiday sales.

So with any luck at all shipping notices will be leaving soon, and those that have been on the fence will need to order up quick to get the old $699 price.

From the FWIW files, yet another mag (since Stereophile just published) will hit the streets with what we hope to be another very positive review. It’s not for everyone but so far most agree it’s the best subwoofer EQ yet done. Just looking at sales amongst folks here, and around the world I’d say the public agree.

Thanks for your patience with the site.

Ron Stimpson
President, SVS
Director, Product and Marketing

[cavchameleon]

counsil wrote:

They are definitely still in business. I have had several email conversations with Ed just today.

I am getting the website errors as well. What do they say?... "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me". I am sure they are looking into other options as far as their website is concerned!

Looks like counsil beat me to it. Should have read all the responses first before answering...


Ray

[Jason_Nolan]

Hopefully the website is back up again soon. I need to order cables, too.

I did have a question on my subs. I have an LFE on the two front BP3000TL Definitive speakers plus I have a Definitive Trinity and JL F113.

I was thinking about running two cables out of a Y to the front two Definitive 3000's up front of the room and then running a Y out to the JL and Trinity in the back. I was thinking of measure these so the front R-L subs would be equidistant to the center listening seat and the back to subs, of course located closer to the listener, but also equidistant to the center position. Would this yeild favorable results or should I only use my two subs? I would like to utilize all of them hopefully, but whatever sounds best.

Anyone have any opinions?

Of course this will dictate how many sub cables I need to order.

One other question is I need to run my Sub cables under my floor through my crawl space. Will SVS sub cables be ok for this kind of run?

[counsil]

cavchameleon wrote:

Running the MultEQ XT on your AVR gets all the filters and distances to the LP correct for the sats, but the SVS unit does not know the 'level's set by the AVR (it simply ping's back a 'perfect' subwoofer so that the AVR thinks that no correction is needed). The leveling step is used to match the levels to the subwoofer, using the same mic (from the AS-EQ1) for sat's and sub (no distance for the sats, just levels). Then the step to set the filters and figuring the distance is done afterwards for the sub(s).

Ray

I guess it really depends on what version of MultEQ XT you have, but the latest versions (with Dynamic EQ for example) calibrate your AVR where reference is at 0 MV. Therefore, when you move on to calibrate your AS-EQ1, the satellite you use to level match against should already read 75 dB... spot on. Am I missing something fundamental here???

[Jason_Nolan]

To clear that last comment up a little, sorry, the front two speakers will be up front and on the left and right sides of the room probably about 2-3 feet from the front wall. The seating position will be about 66-70% of the way back to the room, with the JL and Trinity subs located around the back corners of the room, right side and left side opposite of each other.

[counsil]

Jason_Nolan wrote:

Hopefully the website is back up again soon. I need to order cables, too.

I did have a question on my subs. I have an LFE on the two front BP3000TL Definitive speakers plus I have a Definitive Trinity and JL F113.

I was thinking about running two cables out of a Y to the front two Definitive 3000's up front of the room and then running a Y out to the JL and Trinity in the back. I was thinking of measure these so the front R-L subs would be equidistant to the center listening seat and the back to subs, of course located closer to the listener, but also equidistant to the center position. Would this yeild favorable results or should I only use my two subs? I would like to utilize all of them hopefully, but whatever sounds best.

Anyone have any opinions?

Of course this will dictate how many sub cables I need to order.

One other question is I need to run my Sub cables under my floor through my crawl space. Will SVS sub cables be ok for this kind of run?

I have Def Tech BP7002s for mains that have LFE connections as well. I do not recommend using these. Just use speaker wire. There have been several discussions regarding this on *other* forums. There is no good reason that I have ever read to use this connections.

I would definitely use an AS-EQ1 with your Trinity and F113.

BTW, how do you like the Trinity? Compare it to the F113 and any other sub you have owned.

[counsil]

Also, regarding the sub cables, SVS or Blue Jeans cables will work just fine. I use sub cables from monoprice. From what I have read, all of them are basically the same, and work just as well.

[counsil]

Jason_Nolan wrote:

To clear that last comment up a little, sorry, the front two speakers will be up front and on the left and right sides of the room probably about 2-3 feet from the front wall. The seating position will be about 66-70% of the way back to the room, with the JL and Trinity subs located around the back corners of the room, right side and left side opposite of each other.

I recommend using regular speaker wire with your Def Techs and putting your subs up front. They will more than likely integrate better with your mains. Just my $.02.

Cross all your speakers over at 80Hz. I know, it seems like a waste to set the Def Techs to small. You can alway cross them over at 40Hz or 60Hz to see how that sounds. I prefer 40Hz and 80Hz (in no particular order).

[Jason_Nolan]

Counsil,

I do have a good reason for doing this, atleast in my head.

One they're 18" subwoofers. Although they don't play as low as some DIY, they'll easily hit 20hz.
Two, they're another two subwoofers to fill in room resonant modes and add more dynamics. This may work against me, I'm not sure.
Three, I wouldn't want to run these as lower than it's correcting the Trinity and the Fathom without also running these through the AS-EQ1 for correction. I feel this would only add problems and basically undo whatever greatness the AS-EQ1 is capable of.

I do really hate to bypass them, but I guess I'll have to do a trial and error once the AS-eq1 comes and I close on my house. Should happen at about the same time or close anyway.

I'd love to give you a comparison on the Trinity and the Fathom, but I cant because my fathom is being broke in by my brother while I wait to close on my house. I will say they both are awesome. The trinity plays low and shakes the place I'm currently staying in. It sounds really great for movies and pretty good for music. At my brothers the fathom dissapointed me right out of the box. I've been back a month later though and it's starting to sound awesome, I never believed in break in, but I guess that stiff driver did actually benefit from it. It sounds great at my brothers, maybe even better than my Trinity, but his room has great bass acoustics unlike the room I'm currently using which my trinity sits in. This room is truely horrible, so what the Trinity manages to accomplish in it is also amazing. Only time will tell once I get them in the same room. Whichever one wins I'll eventually sellf the other and pair them up, or possibly more down the line.

My goal was to get a pair of F113's with the new Revel Salon2's. I recently heard this combination and I've never heard sound so good. Pretty amazing. Unfortunately that will be way down the road.

Thanks for your 2 cents. Not to devalue your opinion, because that's not the case, but I would love to hear from Ed at SVS or anyone else with experience or knowledge of my previous set up question. I fear that you're right, counsil, but I really don't want to believe it...

[Jason_Nolan]

I'm using a Denon 4308CI with Audessy MultEQ.

I also asked about the subwoofer cables due to the fact that they would be under my house in a crawl space exposed to some elemants, ie possible moisture and some temperature changes.

[counsil]

Jason_Nolan wrote:

Counsil,

I do have a good reason for doing this, atleast in my head.

One they're 18" subwoofers. Although they don't play as low as some DIY, they'll easily hit 20hz.
Two, they're another two subwoofers to fill in room resonant modes and add more dynamics. This may work against me, I'm not sure.
Three, I wouldn't want to run these as lower than it's correcting the Trinity and the Fathom without also running these through the AS-EQ1 for correction. I feel this would only add problems and basically undo whatever greatness the AS-EQ1 is capable of.

I do really hate to bypass them, but I guess I'll have to do a trial and error once the AS-eq1 comes and I close on my house. Should happen at about the same time or close anyway.

I'd love to give you a comparison on the Trinity and the Fathom, but I cant because my fathom is being broke in by my brother while I wait to close on my house. I will say they both are awesome. The trinity plays low and shakes the place I'm currently staying in. It sounds really great for movies and pretty good for music. At my brothers the fathom dissapointed me right out of the box. I've been back a month later though and it's starting to sound awesome, I never believed in break in, but I guess that stiff driver did actually benefit from it. It sounds great at my brothers, maybe even better than my Trinity, but his room has great bass acoustics unlike the room I'm currently using which my trinity sits in. This room is truely horrible, so what the Trinity manages to accomplish in it is also amazing. Only time will tell once I get them in the same room. Whichever one wins I'll eventually sellf the other and pair them up, or possibly more down the line.

My goal was to get a pair of F113's with the new Revel Salon2's. I recently heard this combination and I've never heard sound so good. Pretty amazing. Unfortunately that will be way down the road.

Thanks for your 2 cents. Not to devalue your opinion, because that's not the case, but I would love to hear from Ed at SVS or anyone else with experience or knowledge of my previous set up question. I fear that you're right, counsil, but I really don't want to believe it...

I completely understand where you are coming from. If I had a nickel for everytime I read about a Def Tech owner not wanting to run their powered towers as *small*... I'd probably have a $100.00 by now. No joking. I seriously doubt that you will find more a handful of Def Tech owners out there that will agree with you. This said, there is absolutely nothing anyone can say to ever change their mind.

I can't wait to read about your thoughts once you get your setup together (including the AS-EQ1).

[counsil]

Jason_Nolan wrote:

I'm using a Denon 4308CI with Audessy MultEQ.

I also asked about the subwoofer cables due to the fact that they would be under my house in a crawl space exposed to some elemants, ie possible moisture and some temperature changes.

Good sub cables are coaxial. They hold up great, and are resistent to moisture, etc. Just think about it... the cable company just buries coax cable a few inches under the ground.

[Jason_Nolan]

Agreed. How would you terminate the cables though and what type of coaxial is the best? Rg6 is better or worse than_____? Sorry, don't know much about cable.

What tools are needed to do this and would getting tools, cables and ends be more expensive than just buying premade cables?

[Jason_Nolan]

counsil wrote:

I completely understand where you are coming from. If I had a nickel for everytime I read about a Def Tech owner not wanting to run their powered towers as *small*... I'd probably have a $100.00 by now. No joking. I seriously doubt that you will find more a handful of Def Tech owners out there that will agree with you. This said, there is absolutely nothing anyone can say to ever change their mind.

I can't wait to read about your thoughts once you get your setup together (including the AS-EQ1).

Yeah, it's understandable. I wish I had bought the unpowered speakers a lot of time just for that reason. On the other hand, you always read that more subs in a room is better to excite room modes, yet when you set them up, they'll play aweful together at times if not done properly, and most, me included, are not experts.

We'll see, you're most likely right.

[cavchameleon]

counsil wrote:

I guess it really depends on what version of MultEQ XT you have, but the latest versions (with Dynamic EQ for example) calibrate your AVR where reference is at 0 MV. Therefore, when you move on to calibrate your AS-EQ1, the satellite you use to level match against should already read 75 dB... spot on. Am I missing something fundamental here???

That's correct, at 0 MV it should already be at 75db and you will most likely not have to adjust (unless there is a + 1 or 2 db difference in the mic. The main thing is to calibrate the subs to the same level as the mains before running the whole sub setup.

Ray

[cavchameleon]

Jason_Nolan,

You may want to call Ed at SVS with your issue as there may be other steps needed to take into account the acoustic coupling that will occur if using all 'four' subs. The SVS unit takes into account one sub on each output (so two subs) and not two subs on each output, although Ed did mention before that it can be done with great success. He may also suggest running the front two as small (as counsil suggests) with a lower crossover point. My speakers do not have a built in powered sub (specs are 27-20khz, but actual room response at -3db is 22) but a passive one and I run the crossover at 60hz. It seems high, but not really considering a 12db/octive roll-off, so there is still energy down to 30hz and give the speaker better dynamic range IMO (less strain).

Ray

[counsil]

Jason_Nolan wrote:

Agreed. How would you terminate the cables though and what type of coaxial is the best? Rg6 is better or worse than_____? Sorry, don't know much about cable.

What tools are needed to do this and would getting tools, cables and ends be more expensive than just buying premade cables?

I use these from Monoprice. They are very high quality and dirt cheap. Be prepared to be surprised. I am sure SVS and Blue Jeans has something very similar...

High Quality RG6 Digital Audio 24K Gold-Plated Cable w/ Fancy Connector

Also, I use these instead of RCA Y cables. At $.68 a piece from Monoprice you can't beat the price; and they work just as good...

RCA Video Audio Splitter Adapter (RCA Female to 2 RCA Female)

[counsil]

cavchameleon wrote:

That's correct, at 0 MV it should already be at 75db and you will most likely not have to adjust (unless there is a + 1 or 2 db difference in the mic. The main thing is to calibrate the subs to the same level as the mains before running the whole sub setup.

Ray

I figured that's what it must be. I have just read too many instances of people stating that their whole system is calibrated too soft after calibrating their AS-EQ1. Are the MultEQ XT mics that come with AVRs inferior to the mic that comes with the AS-EQ1?

[Timoxx4]

counsil wrote:

I figured that's what it must be. I have just read too many instances of people stating that their whole system is calibrated too soft after calibrating their AS-EQ1. Are the MultEQ XT mics that come with AVRs inferior to the mic that comes with the AS-EQ1?

Not everyone has an AVR with MultEQ XT or any flavor of Auddyssey for that matter. So that might be one reason.

Myself, i have a Yamaha 3800 and it has its own auto EQ system so could be completely different in the levels. I don't use it anyway so i completely skip that process and go straight to the EQ side of the AS-EQ1. Then once it has done its thing i go and reset all my level trims with an SPL meter. Job done Or else yes, my levels would have been very soft indeed.

[counsil]

Timoxx4 wrote:

Not everyone has an AVR with MultEQ XT or any flavor of Auddyssey for that matter. So that might be one reason.

Myself, i have a Yamaha 3800 and it has its own auto EQ system so could be completely different in the levels. I don't use it anyway so i completely skip that process and go straight to the EQ side of the AS-EQ1. Then once it has done its thing i go and reset all my level trims with an SPL meter. Job done Or else yes, my levels would have been very soft indeed.

Did you happen to use an SPL meter to see what SubEQ showed as 75 dB was on your meter? I have read some posts where a RS SPL meter read as low as 67-69 dB. I can't remember if it was on this thread or on another thread/forum.

[Roger Dressler]

Jason,

How many rows/seats will be in the main listening/viewing area? Just curious how big the sweet spot needs to be.