Oppo and Sanyo don't play together

**Bob in St. Louis** · **02-24-07, 03:12 PM**

I'm SMOKIN' HOT MAD!

It...............D*O*E*S.....N*O*T.....W*O*R*K!

Here's the players:
Harman Kardon AVR-645
Oppo 981
Sanyo PLV Z2

I hooked up my new Oppo with child like enthusiasm and I get an on screen message that says:

"DISPLAY DOES NOT CONTAIN HDCP CAPABLITY"

And Yes! They even spelled it wrong! They are telling me to shove my new purchase where the sun don't shine and they can't even spell CAPABILITY correctly!

I've pressed every button on the receiver and projector trying to get the setting/preferences 'right' and it does not work.
If I turn ON the "HDMI VIDEO OUT" on the receiver nothing works. I can hear audio, but no video displays from the three disc players I have until I turn "HDMI VIDEO OUT" OFF, then everything works except the Oppo.

HELP PLEASE!!!!!! I'm at wit's end.......

I'm calling on ALL of my forum buddies to help me please!
Bob

**Sonnie** · **02-24-07, 05:06 PM**

wrut-wro!

Z2... you must be using component. I didn't think component had to be HDCP compliant, but then again I don't know squat about HDCP.

Maybe someone will know what's up, but it don't sound good (don't hit me, please).

**Bob in St. Louis** · **02-24-07, 05:24 PM**

Hi sonnie!

Nope, No component. Using DVI adapted from the Oppo 25' HDMI cable at the back of the PJ.
Here's the "spec sheet" from ProjectorCentral on the Sanyo:
Notice the comment about "Digital Input: DVI-I (HDCP)" ?

http://projectorcentral.com/Sanyo-PLV-Z2.htm

Thanks for giving it a shot Sonnie, and NO I would NEVER hit the boss!!

Bob

**Sonnie** · **02-24-07, 05:29 PM**

Okay... you can use the component and you should be okay. I know that sounds like a bummer, but with the Z2 I want to say more people were impressed with the component input than the DVI. I used the component when I had my Z2. Otherwise I think you are poop out of luck...

**Bob in St. Louis** · **02-24-07, 05:48 PM**

Where's the poop smiley Sonnie?

I would have kept my existing DVD players had I known I'd have to use component. My understanding was that HDMI/DVI has a better video quality than anything else. That's why I popped for the Oppo.
........All Digital.......All The Time........

I could try that, I've got 3 component cables running from the rack to the PJ, but it's been wired to the XBox360.
That's a last ditch effort though.

Maybe I could get the wife to agree we need to get a "more modern PJ".

I'll keep that idea "in the bank" Sonnie, but I'm hoping for.........SOMETHING that keeps it digital.

Bob

**Sonnie** · **02-24-07, 05:52 PM**

There is no better time than now and you will be tickled at the improvement....

Z5 for $1295 after rebate (just add it to your cart and see the deal!)

**Bob in St. Louis** · **02-24-07, 06:11 PM**

DUDE!!.....That's like giving an alcoholic a beer when he's walking into an AA meeting

You are evil!!!!

That's MEAN!!!!!!!!!

Kick me in the nads.........why don'tcha!

Jeez, that hurts man.... You're cruel. That should be illegal, what you just did!

------Ok, I checked ProjectorCentral.com's website for "The Calculator Pro", and the unit WILL work with my throw distance and screen size.

But that doesn't excuse you for what you did. Man! It still stings! OUCH!!

I'd like to keep my body parts (and my marriage) the way they are.
SOOOOoooooo, if anybody *****ELSE***** can help me, I thank you.

Bob

p.s. Don't worry Sonnie, I'd have done the same thing too!

**SteveCallas** · **02-24-07, 06:18 PM**

Hmm, people route 1080p from HDMI into DVI input all the time, so I don't understand why there would be any handshake issues. Are you going directly to the projector, or going through the receiver first? I'd recommend sending the video directly to the projector and just using an optical or digital coax cable forthe audio. That should do the trick.

**Bob in St. Louis** · **02-24-07, 06:51 PM**

UPDATE: (Day One)

I've tried two alternatives:

#1 Wire the Oppo output (HDMI) to the receiver, then component/RGB to the PJ.
-----Nothing. Blue screen. That seems odd.
(Yes, I reconfigured the PJ's input settings.........)

#2 Wire the Oppo (HDMI) to the PJ (with DVI-I adapter), then optical from Oppo to receiver.
Reconfigured the settings. I got an alternating blue screen (signaling a lack of input signal) to a black screen (the screen I get just before/while it recognizes an input), but then goes back to blue.

.......Spent an entire day of my life overcoming an industries desire not to have movies bootlegged.

Bob

**SteveCallas** · **02-24-07, 07:02 PM**

Found this from bluejeans cable on the varieties of DVI-I:

Quote:

(1) DVI-D only; this device has no signal available on the analog pins, but uses a DVI-I socket only to allow a DVI-I cable to be used;
(2) DVI-A only; this device has no DVI-D digital signal available, and is simply using a DVI socket as a port for accepting a regular analog signal format (usually RGBHV, which would include VGA). The device may be connected to any RGBHV device, using a DVI-I cable, a DVI/VGA cable, or a DVI breakout to five separate lines for R, G, B, H and V.
(3) True DVI-I; this device has both analog and digital capability through this port. It may autosense, using a digital signal if present or an analog signal if no digital signal is found, or the digital/analog mode may have to be selected manually by a switch or menu selection.

If your projector's DVI input can't handle digital, that would explain your problems, and you're essentially screwed. No need to keep the Oppo if tht is the case.

**Bob in St. Louis** · **02-24-07, 07:05 PM**

Interesting Steve. (Bad, but interesting)

A fellow by the name of "lousymusician" (Bill) from the HawthorneAudio forum has BIG news (VERY VERY bad though):

http://www.hawthorneaudio.com/forum/...hp?p=6873#6873

Bob

**Sonnie** · **02-24-07, 09:29 PM**

Yeah... I'm 100% sure you are poop out of luck with the Z2... you will have to use component... OR:

Spoiler

**Bob in St. Louis** · **02-25-07, 06:04 AM**

Ok Sonnie, You win.

Let me get my credit card.....

Just a minute...........

I'll be right back............

Hold on..............

Almost there...............

Here it comes.............

Are you ready............

Can you see it yet?.............

**Bob in St. Louis** · **02-25-07, 08:02 AM**

Sonnie, since I posted last, there has been a new development in "Bob's life":

I was actually concidering upgrading the PJ to the Z5. Yea, I really was.
The wife woke up early this morning and came downstairs (happens very rarely) only to find me looking at YOUR LINK TO THE Z5.
I explained the situation to her thinking she'd roll her eyes and pat me on the head like the good little puppy that I am and she actually is sympethetic to the situation.

She says I can get a new PJ,

but there's a condition (or two...):

My existing PJ would go upstairs and require a total redesign of the living rooms electrical/cable/phone wiring (all to the other side of the room). I'd have to design and build a "stealth" PJ screen that has a very high WAF. Which would eliminate the old school monster 53" Sony RPTV and make for new furniture that would go in it's place.
Oh, and then I have to remove the carpet and install wood floors in that room, the kitchen and dining room. Roughly about 1,000 square feet. Complete with new base molding, door casing and door trim in those rooms.
That's the deal.
So this $200 DVD player has snowballed into thousands of dollars.

How bad do I want this?

Bob

p.s. I'm blaming you personally, Sonnie, for all of this.

**Bob in St. Louis** · **02-25-07, 08:06 AM**

Sonnie,
I also just noticed the little green light on your post has turned to gray, signifying you're not online at this time.
I've NEVER seen your light 'off'. You are ALWAYS online.

I've got no other choice but to believe you're hiding from me.

Bob

**basementjack** · **02-25-07, 08:22 AM**

Hey Sonnie, Bob and others...

The Oppo 981 has no component outputs - only HDMI, Standard and S-Video.

While there are some recievers that have both connections, it is not common however, in early 2007, to find one that will transcode from one type to another, and probably not even possible to go from HDMI to Component, since that would override the copy protection.

**basementjack** · **02-25-07, 08:26 AM**

I cannot say for sure, but if the Z2 is HDCP compatible, then it might be a problem this device can fix:
(Did the Z2 have a DVI input, instead of HDMI?)

DVI Doctor - Powered EDID problem solver...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...ormat=2&style=

**Bob in St. Louis** · **02-25-07, 08:29 AM**

Jack, I believe you're right.
One of the attempts I made was to run the HDMI from the 981 to the receivers input. Then output from the receivers RGB/component to the Z2. Didn't work, I got nothing. Not even a blink from the PJ signifying it was getting an input signal. It wasn't the way I wanted to do it, but I gave it a shot anyway, thinking someday I'd be upgrading the PJ to full HDMI, just not so soon.

Bob

**Bob in St. Louis** · **02-25-07, 08:32 AM**

Opps, I was typing while you were posting your 2nd reply Jack.
I've never heard of the DVI doctor, I'll check it out.

Yes, the Z2 is SUPPOSED to be HDCP capable/compliant.

Bob

**basementjack** · **02-25-07, 08:35 AM**

Bob, Don't you have a home theater PC?

I read an article recently where the Recent video cards from ATI and NVidia were doing such a good job scaling DVD's that they outscored $2000-3000 dedicated DVD players.

ATI and nVidia crush high-end DVD players

Hey Bob, as a side note, remember that Toshiba HD-A2 I was reccomending? Well for one, you would have had the exact same Copy protection issue (although they might have spelled the error message differently) But also a HUGE part of that was so you could decode the Dolby Digital plus and truehd formats - but I've since learned that Toshiba didn't include the analog 5.1 outputs on the A2 (they were there on the A1) - which limits you back to the old dolby digital or DTS - no good!!!

So my own quandry now is - can a home theater pc be easy enough to use for my family?

Also as one last side note...

The xbox 360, will up-convert DVD's throught it's VGA connection (it will not through component due to a licensing issue - thats why you never see upconverting component video players in stores - they are all protected HDMI, and you just found out what a blast that is!)

I just ordered the HQV benchmark DVD for testing and ranking performance of DVD playback so I'll post some numbers on the 360 to see how they compare to the PC article I linked to above.

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