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post #11 of 19 Old 01-14-12, 08:31 PM
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Re: Onkyo TX-NR709 HDMI hanshake issue

Thank you Tony. I hear you and take your message to heart. Just frustrated man.

Have a great weekend!!!

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Re: Onkyo TX-NR709 HDMI hanshake issue

try turning things on in a different order, that can help alot. Start with the display and then receiver and lastly the source.

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Re: Onkyo TX-NR709 HDMI hanshake issue

I have a similar, but not as serious problem with my Yamaha AVR. It won't pass a handshake backwards from the PJ to the BD player, so 24p wouldn't work. A direct connection fixed this problem. It meant I had to give up the lossless audio codec, but fixing the 3:2 pulldown judder was more important, to me.

I suggest you take the AVR out of the video chain. If your TV does not have enough inputs then you may find an HDMI switch that passes the handshake. The advantage here is that they are cheap enough to experiment with.
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Re: Onkyo TX-NR709 HDMI hanshake issue

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Hey man!

Cables make no difference. Order of powering on makes no difference.

My gut tells me to buy a new TV.

I'm frustrated and have no idea in which direction to vent my frustration, but if I had to pick a target, I'd start with Onkyo.

Do not go and buy a new TV yet,
When you have this problem, press receiver on your remote and press display, you will see your receiver displaying something like "unknown format", not sure if this is the exact message.

So you will see that it is an HDMI handhake problem. Connecting your stuff directly to your TV will probably work, so logically we think it is a problem with the 709; but I am sure that the HDMI handshake is a bit more involve going through the receiver, it might be that the source is not fully compliant, but still good enough when connected directly to the TV.

Oh well, lets wait for HDMI version 1.5
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I suggest you take the AVR out of the video chain. If your TV does not have enough inputs then you may find an HDMI switch that passes the handshake. The advantage here is that they are cheap enough to experiment with.
That is what I did first, going with HDMI to the TV and sending the sound from the TV to the receiver using optical cablem, problem with this (at least with my Samsung TV) is that the sound coming out of the TV is only stereo. I cannot use an optical cable from the Scientific Atlanta DVR because when HDMI is use, the optical is disable.

The reason I change my receiver was because my other receiver did not have any HDMI. It is also easyer for my WIFE, one button only, if you send your video and audio separatly, you need to switch the TV and the receiver.
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I cannot use an optical cable from the Scientific Atlanta DVR because when HDMI is use, the optical is disable.
Can this be corrected through the menu in the DVR? Sometimes there is an audio output setting. There is one in my BD player that helped me split the HDMI video from the audio. Anyway, if you connect the HDMI directly to the TV, does the handshake problem stop?

One thing to keep in mind: The return policy on the AVR. You may not be able to correct this problem, and may have to return the AVR and try another brand. I my case, my Yamaha AVR was about 3 years old, so I didn't want to replace it. If it was still in the return period, I would have returned it.
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Can this be corrected through the menu in the DVR? Sometimes there is an audio output setting. There is one in my BD player that helped me split the HDMI video from the audio. Anyway, if you connect the HDMI directly to the TV, does the handshake problem stop?

One thing to keep in mind: The return policy on the AVR. You may not be able to correct this problem, and may have to return the AVR and try another brand. I my case, my Yamaha AVR was about 3 years old, so I didn't want to replace it. If it was still in the return period, I would have returned it.
If I remember correctly, the SA8300 disable the other ports when HDMI is connected (to prevent copying), Also I red that the SA8300 is only HDMI 1.0 (strange because 1.0 did not support surround). I never notice a problem when it was connected directly to the TV, but it does not mean that the receiver is faulty (I am sure that the handshake is more relax on a TV because there is no HDMI out), you can see on the AVR when you press display, it show an error message something like "invalid format" or "unknown format".

I like my AVR and do not want to return it, I will change my DVR for a newer one when the disk craps out.
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Re: Onkyo TX-NR709 HDMI hanshake issue

Strange, I have not change anything, but the things works flawlesly
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Re: Onkyo TX-NR709 HDMI hanshake issue

Ok, forget it, any problem that goes away by itself, comes back also by itself.
but all I have to do is to go to a non hidef signal and come back to hidef channel.

I can live with that
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