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post #1 of 12 Old 11-08-09, 12:55 PM Thread Starter
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Are my DACs up to the task?

First, thank you for vewing and sharing your thoughts on this post with me.
After several months of research and thought, I decided my next upgrade would be a music-streaming device. I looked at the Sonas, Transporter, Squeeze Box, ( single room application) and am looking forward to checking out the Logitech Touch that just came out. Several have told me that it would offer me a wider range of flexibility if I just got the transport without the built in DACís, like the Sexy Transporter, and added a separate DAC of my choice, after thought I can see where they have an excellent point.
So Question? How about if I just let the Burr Browns (24-bit/192-KHz PCM-1791) that are included in my Denon 988 do the job and save money to boot. What kind of quality of sound can I expect? CD quality?
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Re: Are my DACs up to the task?

Your bigger issue will be what format your music will be in. Your Denon will do a decent job handling most of what you throw at it however DACs have come along ways in the last 5 years.

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Re: Are my DACs up to the task?

From what I have read FLAC would be the best. Then internet radio?if my terminoligy is right. The 988 is the same as the 2808CI that both were new in 2008 so the DAC teck on them is not that old I would think.
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Re: Are my DACs up to the task?

The chip itself is only part of the equation. Even two pieces of gear with the same DAC chip can sound very different because of the analog output stage and other considerations.

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Computer Audiophile dot com has loads of valuable information regarding current DAC models.
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Re: Are my DACs up to the task?

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First, thank you for vewing and sharing your thoughts on this post with me.
After several months of research and thought, I decided my next upgrade would be a music-streaming device. I looked at the Sonas, Transporter, Squeeze Box, ( single room application) and am looking forward to checking out the Logitech Touch that just came out. Several have told me that it would offer me a wider range of flexibility if I just got the transport without the built in DAC’s, like the appealing Transporter, and added a separate DAC of my choice, after thought I can see where they have an excellent point.
So Question? How about if I just let the Burr Browns (24-bit/192-KHz PCM-1791) that are included in my Denon 988 do the job and save money to boot. What kind of quality of sound can I expect? CD quality?
Thanks again
One thing to remember about the Transporter is that it has a state of the art D/A Converter built in with inputs and a remote control. Something most DAC's don't have. You won't need a separate DAC. Stereophile did a glowing review of the Transporter some time ago. Google it.

A music streaming device will be much more versatile than a CD Player, however keep in mind that alot of your preferred music will not be available in soft copy at standard resolution or high resolution. Thus you must purchase a CD unless you want to settle for the mp3 version. I have squeezebox touch myself and it has pretty much revolutionized how I listen to music.

I think the DAC's inside the Denon 988 will do the job but the analog section my leave something to be desired in sound quality as compared to a high quality separate DAC.

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Re: Are my DACs up to the task?

"I think the DAC's inside the Denon 988 will do the job but the analog section my leave something to be desired in sound quality as compared to a high quality separate DAC."

+1 on that. If the DACs in your Denon are 24-bit/192-KHz, then (all things being equal) they are capable of better than "red book" CD quality (16 bit/44.1-kHz). Streaming music introduces a lot of other variables: format, streaming device, streaming source, etc.

HOWEVER, if the question is simply "are my DACs up to the task?" then the answer is yes. Again, all other things being equal (that's assuming an awful lot) you can expect CD quality...or better based just on the DACs.
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Lots of info here, too:

http://www.audiostream.com/
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Re: Are my DACs up to the task?

IMO the analog output stage and preamp are far more important that a DAC chip that might have a few more db of noise suppression. Although certainly there's been a rage over DACs lately with the ESS Sabre lineup.
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Re: Are my DACs up to the task?

"IMO the analog output stage and preamp are far more important..."

I agree, but I think that one of the reasons that DACs are such a popular upgrade is their low cost (compared to replacing a preamp, for example). You can spend mega bucks on a new DAC, but you can usually find a highly rated budget model.
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