catch words and your definition. - Page 2 - Home Theater Forum and Systems - HomeTheaterShack.com

Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #11 of 21 Old 01-09-08, 11:29 AM
Elite Shackster
 
Ricci's Avatar
Josh
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 2,431
Re: catch words and your definition.

Transparency: To me this is a measure of distortion and how separated each instrument or sound is kept. The ability to hear deep into the recording (not in the same way as imaging)

Soundstage: I think everyone basically summed this one up for me. Channel seperation, imaging, placement of instruments, a sense of space and room size in the recording.

Detail: This should be a descriptor of a clean speaker with a flat frequency response, but sometimes I think that a elevated FR in certain ranges can cause a perception of increased "detail". Hearing a bass player touch his fingers to the strings, or a vocalists in-between breaths. Things that lesser systems will lose in the mix.

Speed: Even though I think that this is a silly descriptive term, I would equate it with how well a system tracks dynamic changes, and with a lack of resonances/reflections. Maybe the phase relationships between drivers or of the system as a whole would contribute something?


What about airy?


Some words I do like are: neutral, effortless, veiled and punch, or slam. Also girthatude.
Ricci is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 21 Old 01-09-08, 03:34 PM Thread Starter
drf
drf
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere else.
Posts: 1,249
Re: catch words and your definition.

Quote:
Some words I do like are: neutral, effortless, veiled and punch, or slam. Also girthatude.
Veiled? as in behind a curtain? mayber slightly muffled? and girthatude must be surroundability?



I tried to summerise a little bit but as I read over everyones posts it seems we can take the definitions for some words and apply them to others. For example: detail and transparency have overlaping definitions as do soundstage and transparency. By extrapolation then detail and soundstage also have overlaping definitions.

This is great experiment in defining objectivety for a subjective observation.

It's no wonder there are debates over the best design principles and topologies.

please keep them coming:
drf is offline  
post #13 of 21 Old 01-09-08, 04:19 PM
Senior Shackster
 
imbeaujp's Avatar
Jean-Pierre
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Beaumont, Quebec, CANADA
Posts: 308
Send a message via MSN to imbeaujp
Re: catch words and your definition.

Hello,

The best answer is : Listen to "The ultimate demonstration disk" from chesky records:

TRACK LISTING
1.Welcome To The Ultimate Demonstration Disc
2.High Resolution-Introduction
3.Spanish Harlem
4.Depth-Introduction
5.If I Could Sing Your Blues
6.Atmosphere-Introduction
7.Maiden Voyage
8.Midrange Purity-Introduction
9.Grandma's Hands
10.Naturalness-Introduction
11.Correnteza
12.Transparency-Introduction
13.Played Twice
14.Presence-Introduction
15.Ask Me Now
16.Visceral Impact-Introduction
17.Sweet Georgia Brown
18.Rhythm & Pace-Introduction
19.I Love Paris
20.Focus-Introduction
21.Flute Concerto in D
22.Holographic Imaging-Introduction
23.Festival Te Deum
24.Transients-Introduction
25.The Royal March
26.Bass Resonance-Introduction
27.Best Of Chesky Jazz and More Audiophile Tests, Volume 2
28.Dynamic Test-Introduction
29.Best Of Chesky Jazz and More Audiophile Tests, Volume 2
30.Final Announcement
Attachments

Jean-Pierre Imbeau


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.
imbeaujp is offline  
 
post #14 of 21 Old 01-09-08, 04:57 PM
HTS Senior Moderator
 
Prof.'s Avatar
The Mad Professor
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Murraylands South Aust
Posts: 8,367
My System
Re: catch words and your definition.

Isn't this interesting..And here I thought everyone interpreted these terms the same as I did!!
Quote:
Ricci wrote: View Post
Transparency: To me this is a measure of distortion and how separated each instrument or sound is kept. The ability to hear deep into the recording (not in the same way as imaging)
Since my early days of listening to stereo music..I've interpreted transparency in the same way that you have..

Soundstage to me means that a sound image of individual instruments can be heard right across the screen and beyond..

Quote:
Ricci wrote: View Post
"detail". Hearing a bass player touch his fingers to the strings, or a vocalists in-between breaths. Things that lesser systems will lose in the mix.
Totally agree..

Quote:
Ricci wrote: View Post
Speed: Even though I think that this is a silly descriptive term, I would equate it with how well a system tracks dynamic changes, and with a lack of resonances/reflections. Maybe the phase relationships between drivers or of the system as a whole would contribute something?
My understanding of this term also..
Prof. is offline  
post #15 of 21 Old 01-09-08, 04:57 PM Thread Starter
drf
drf
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere else.
Posts: 1,249
Re: catch words and your definition.

Thanks imbeaujp,

I am assuming the following tracks are basically this discs defintion for the correspnding title.

TRACK LISTING

2.High Resolution-Introduction

4.Depth-Introduction

6.Atmosphere-Introduction

8.Midrange Purity-Introduction

10.Naturalness-Introduction

12.Transparency-Introduction

14.Presence-Introduction

16.Visceral Impact-Introduction

18.Rhythm & Pace-Introduction

20.Focus-Introduction

22.Holographic Imaging-Introduction

24.Transients-Introduction

26.Bass Resonance-Introduction

28.Dynamic Test-Introduction



As I don't have this disc could anyone who does please post what its definitions are for these titles?

It will be interesting to know if they are similar to the general concensus here on the shack.
drf is offline  
post #16 of 21 Old 01-09-08, 05:11 PM
Senior Shackster
 
imbeaujp's Avatar
Jean-Pierre
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Beaumont, Quebec, CANADA
Posts: 308
Send a message via MSN to imbeaujp
Re: catch words and your definition.

I will listen to the CD tonight and will post the definition tomorrow.

JP

Jean-Pierre Imbeau


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.
imbeaujp is offline  
post #17 of 21 Old 01-09-08, 11:48 PM
Elite Shackster
 
Sonnie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: L.A. (Lower Alabama)
Posts: 22,577
My System
Re: catch words and your definition.

Transparency is the state of being transparent. When I think of transparent, I think of something I can see through... as if it were not there, hence the speakers disappear... they are not locatable. Air is transparent, right?

Synonyms for transparency are clearness, lucidity and precision... therefore, I see how some could see transparency as referring to clarity and accuracy.

IMO, it makes sense to describe a speaker that is neutral and uncolored as "accurate" and a speaker that disappears into a room and is non-locatable as being "transparent"... similar to a subwoofer being non-localized and omni-directional. HOWEVER... in order for a speaker to be truly transparent and disappear, I think a large broad sound stage is necessary. A small narrow sound stage would cause you to be able to tell where the speakers are located.
Sonnie is offline  
post #18 of 21 Old 01-10-08, 02:08 AM
Elite Shackster
Maverick
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Sandnes, Norway
Posts: 1,384
Re: catch words and your definition.

Quote:
Sonnie wrote:
A small narrow sound stage would cause you to be able to tell where the speakers are located.
Not nescessarily, Sonnie. Like I said in a previous post, I can have sound that comes from the exact spot my speakers are located, but can't hear the sound coming from the box itself, not even when looking at it and trying. That's transparency to me.
I guess if the SYSTEM itself is incapable of a broad and transparent soundstage then it doesn't matter how good the recording is, you will be able to locate the speakers. Then it would be the system that has a narrow and small soundstage, not the recording.

Or did I misunderstand your post?


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.
Status: Sold!

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.
Status: Done


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.
Status: Sold!


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.
Status: Sold!
atledreier is offline  
post #19 of 21 Old 01-10-08, 02:33 PM
Elite Shackster
 
Ricci's Avatar
Josh
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 2,431
Re: catch words and your definition.

Quote:
drf wrote: View Post
Veiled? as in behind a curtain? mayber slightly muffled? and girthatude must be surroundability?
:
girthatude is a term one of my bands always throws around. We use it to describe different sounds or bands. It is when something is really big, heavy or massive in some aspect. Klipschorns have it because they are physically large and heavy. You could also say that a little set of bookshelves that throw up a huge soundstage have it though.
Ricci is offline  
post #20 of 21 Old 01-10-08, 02:36 PM
Elite Shackster
 
Ricci's Avatar
Josh
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 2,431
Re: catch words and your definition.

Quote:
Prof. wrote: View Post
Isn't this interesting..And here I thought everyone interpreted these terms the same as I did!!
Since my early days of listening to stereo music..I've interpreted transparency in the same way that you have..

Soundstage to me means that a sound image of individual instruments can be heard right across the screen and beyond..


Totally agree..


My understanding of this term also..
I see that I'm not alone then!
Ricci is offline  
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
catch , definition , words

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now




PLEASE COMPLETE ALL REQUIRED FIELDS BELOW... THANKS!

REQUIRED FIELDS ON THIS PAGE
YOU MUST COMPLETE ALL OF THESE

Username
Password
Confirm Password
Email Address
Confirm Email Address
Random Question
Random Question #2




User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
PLEASE READ BELOW PRIOR TO ENTERING AN EMAIL ADDRESS!

ATTENTION!

YOU MUST ACTIVATE YOUR ACCOUNT!

Activation requires you reply to an email we will send you after you register... if you do not reply to this email, you will not be able to view certain areas of the forum or certain images... nor will you be able download software.

AN INVALID EMAIL ADDRESS WILL CAUSE YOUR ACCOUNT TO BE DELETED!

See our banned email list here: Banned Email List

We DO NOT respond to spamcop, boxtrapper and spamblocker emails... please add @hometheatershack DOT com to your whitelist prior to registering or you will get nowhere on your registration.


Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML is not allowed!
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 


For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome