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post #1 of 68 Old 11-26-15, 09:21 AM Thread Starter
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Profanity and the HTS "tight" posting rules...

Recently, there have been several discussions about why the traffic at Home Theater Shack has dropped significantly. Some have suggested it is because we are so restrictive about language and about bashing manufacturers and other posters.

So I think it is time to refresh on who we are, why we have the rules we do, and why Home Theater Shack does not allow certain use of language. Also, we need to be very clear about what censorship is and about "rights."

We have very strict restrictions on profanity and swearing for two reasons. The founder of the forum, to whom we all owe so much, Sonnie Parker, is a devout Christian. Any form of swearing, profanity, or using the Lord's name in vain or even remotely getting close to such is not OK in his view. Now that Sonnie is no longer owner, there are still many here who share this view. Personally, I am not so rigid on the matter, but it has served to promote a higher level of discourse, which is the much more important second reason for these rules, IMNSHO. I have no problem loosening up the rules a bit, but the fact is that swearing and profanity is shorthand for expressing feelings and opinions. Making a little extra effort to express oneself only make the discussion better, and I believe, makes us better people, as language is one of the things that makes us most human. Any improvement in how we communicate is of value in my opinion.

Now is this censorship? In the most strict interpretation, perhaps. Our position has always been that we are not really censoring anyone, because there are millions of other places where one can post whatever is desired, dozens with similar topics. What we "censor" is some limited manner of HOW people say things that might not make others feel safe, valued, or welcome. We do not allow posting that is condescending or vitriolic, nor do we allow bashing of manufacturers or individuals. What we do not censor, and highly encourage, are the IDEAS that one has or the OPINIONS and EXPERIENCE that our users bring. As long as those are expressed in ways that do not harm or attack others they are welcome. And understand that being civil does not mean agreeing, nor does it mean that some will not be offended at the ideas of others. Again, as long as those differences are focused on the ideas, experiences, or or opinions and not the individual, a vigorous debate is welcome.

We will never allow ideas to be restricted from discussion simply because they are unpopular among the users or moderators. This is one of the primary differences between HTS and other forums. Our moderators respect the right of our users to bring differing perspectives than their own. One will never be belittled or censored for having a different experience or opinion from staff, unless that difference has to do with the rules and expectations as described above.

Have those expectations for a higher level of respect and discourse limited the number of users and posts here? Probably. Has it been the primary reason for the decline in activity here? I do not believe so, but if it is, then I say so be it. We do not intend to substantially change those expectations, though as I said above, I don't have a problem relaxing the restrictions on certain words a bit. Just a bit.

If you get it, you are welcome here. If you don't then please accept our thanks for coming by.

I, personally, am thankful for a home theater forum that has higher ideals about how people can communicate. More of the internet should be like this, IMO.

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Re: Profanity and the HTS "tight" posting rules...

Thanks! Let's keep it clean.
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Re: Profanity and the HTS "tight" posting rules...

I think that a negative point can be made without using any fowl language. I still dont see where the idea came that we sensor posts in such a way that we dont allow negative comments about a particular product or service. I for one have talked about many products that I dont think are a good buy or are simply junk and never had any deleted to my knowledge.

I vote to keep the HTS as is. It worked for years without issues. The slowdown in traffic is related to a much more serious issue in the ownership and where the support is.

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Re: Profanity and the HTS "tight" posting rules...

Oh, it is not so, but when someone who thinks they should be able to say x brand is junk (or some profanity) or who gets called out for attacking some individual carries a grudge to other forums or wants to argue the point with our moderators and gets the posts removed, others can get the wrong idea. The fact is, that it is far more common to get run off of other forums because you run afoul of a headstrong mod who does not like his facts challenged. We always say bring it on when it comes to challenging facts and ideas. But it is not OK to attack people.




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Re: Profanity and the HTS "tight" posting rules...

Thank You Leonard, very well written.
As one of the members that has been involved in some vigorous debates I can honestly say that HTS has been incredibly fair in how they approach these discussions. Even when things get a bit heated the mods will warn first before anything is done. If things stay out of the lines, then some editing is done or if the post is hateful, it may be removed. I am truly glad how this site works, even when we get our hackles raised. Having been lucky enough to meet several of the mods I can also say that to a man, no ladies yet, they are most excellent human beings with a very strong love of this hobby.

In reality it is not hard to go around cussing and being predatory in our remarks. Disagreements are common and expected but this is not the place to be evil about it, remember these discussions are truly not life and death. Imagine if you will, having these discussions in public in the hallway of a local library or in someones living room after a nice listening session. I have learned the hard way, be reasonable folks and the site will hopefully not need the hall monitors to interfere.

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Re: Profanity and the HTS "tight" posting rules...

Profanity needs to die. There is zero need for it.. I'm very happy to know that the founder of this site is a Christian.
Like my wife always tell me (USE YOUR WORDS). We should be able to disagree about subjects and have the ability to express our opinions in a clear manner.
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Re: Profanity and the HTS "tight" posting rules...

I was looking for mech's goodbye thread, (gone?)where toward the end of it, the defense seemed to be for crusty behavior being justified for those attacking/defending certain manufacturers. I personally COULD NOT CARE LESS which OEM you want to butter up. Profanity doesn't offend me either. My dad was in the army and later a well driller so I've heard everything. My issue with other places is the condescending attitude, and the 3rd grade name calling, and belittling. I read through stuff at avs, but I get extremely frustrated with bullying, and personal attacks. Tell me my gear sucks, I don't care. But leave the personal stuff out. It's easy to throw out insults when you have no idea who's on the receiving end. I love HTS. I never have to worry about what I write,(unless I'm the one pushing it) for fear of a blindsided childish attack on myself or stuff, or thoughts. As stated above, there is no reason you can't make a statement without being childish and disrespectful. Long live HTS.


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Re: Profanity and the HTS "tight" posting rules...

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I was looking for mech's goodbye thread, (gone?)
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Re: Profanity and the HTS "tight" posting rules...

lcaillo...good post. i agree that excessive moderation is not good for forums. i also think discourse is good. the heated discussion draw the most traffic. im not sure what people think profanity is. I am not condoning people drop the F bomb or personal attacks but there is nothing wrong IMO with calling out manufactures, customer service, engineering of products, CIVIL DISCOURSE etc. im no christian but i know how to respect people and the ideas they have... im not someone who needs to read a bible to just be nice and put myself in other people shoes. To rebuild things will be tough but it can be done. however it seems that if the issue lies with the 'owner' then its going to be their call. i dont post much right now. new job, in school, toddler ... but I lurk.
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