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post #1 of 5 Old 09-16-13, 09:36 AM Thread Starter
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Glidden Veil Gray - Simply Excellent

Hello everyone! This is my first post and I want to thank the people here who provide such complete and thorough information so that newbies like me can create a nice screen. That having been said, I have been lurking for the past few weeks on this and another site to figure out how I wanted to make my screen. I have an Optoma HD25-LV. I mounted it on the ceiling at about 13' from the basement wall. My walls were recently freshly painted with a shade called Stone Hearth, which, to my eye, tends towards green. I was not happy with the picture on the wall because of the texture and the color.

I purchased a cut to order piece of Sintra (actually Komatex) cut to 48' x 85". For weeks I've been struggling to decide on which paint or paint formulation to use. Yesterday, after reading several posts on this site, I pulled the trigger and went with Valspar Ultra Premium Latex enamel tinted Glidden Veil from the Glidden Master Palette. Actually, the Lowe's couldn't or wouldn't tint it with the old formulation so I used the new equivalent base paint that has the primer built in (with some trepidation).

I rolled the first coat of the paint using a 1/4 inch roller and it dried very smooth. I then put on a second coat that again dried with, to me, a very smooth texture. I have the two side trim pieces with black velvet in place but didn't do the cross pieces because I am sometimes an idiot and messed them up. I'll do them tonight.

Regardless, I have to say that I am very impressed with the result. I put the projector bulb on eco mode and reference mode. The difference with the neutral gray compared with either the white Sintra or the slightly greenish and pretty dark wall is absolutely amazing. As has been stated in these forums, neutral gray is really neutral and the colors were completely accurate to my eye. The whites are very white and the blacks are very black. I have can lights in that portion of my basemen on a dimmer. On full blast, the picture is of course, a bit washed out, but completely viewable. On half powered lights, the picture is absolutely great. With the can lights off and another set of can lights about 15 feet to the right on full power, the picture was perfect.

I flipped between the San Franciso/Seattle game and some discovery show about Megalodon and called my wife (who is almost never impressed with anything audio-visual) down to give her opinion. She reluctantly sauntered in and after a few minutes agreed that the picture was awesome and gave me some props.

Bottom line (for me) - I was torn about how to paint the screen. Complex formula or off the shelf, rolled or sprayed, etc. This simple and easy option, in my opinion, is absolutely one that will work for someone with no ambient light or a good amount. I'll try to provide some pics, but cannot promise anything. Thanks to the people that provided all the good information!
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post #2 of 5 Old 09-16-13, 12:44 PM
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Re: Glidden Veil Gray - Simply Excellent

Hello Cassman34! Welcome to HTS!

Thank you for posting! Don't worry too much about using a "paint + primer" type of paint, today it's almost impossible to get anything else.

You mention that your walls are painted with a paint tinted "Stone Hearth", what brand of paint did you use? I see that Benjamin Moore and Behr make a color by that name.

If you are liking your projected image on the 'Veil' screen then stay with it, but I ran the numbers for your PJ. screen size and screen color and in my opinion you could go with an even darker neutral gray paint if you would want to. The review I read on your PJ got 2000 lumens in Reference mode, on a screen your size and color that would give you ~54.5 fL of image brightness! Going to Eco lamp mode would drop that down to ~41 fL and turning off BrilliantColor would drop that further to ~32 fL. That is still a very bright image that you might want to decrease by using a darker gray paint.

If your wife thinks everything looks good and gave your props then maybe you should quit while you're ahead.

With the brightness of your PJ and the size of your screen there is no way you should have used anything but a neutral gray paint. The last thing you need is any reflective agent added to your screen paint.
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Thanks for your reply! I'll look up the Stone Hearth when I get home and get you the info. It is quite a bit darker than the Veil. I really didn't realize that the projector was THAT bright. I can say that we will rarely watch it in complete darkness in the basement. It is an open area rather than a dedicated room. With the ambient light that I mentioned, it is very nice. I guess I'm lucky that I didn't try a mix and went neutral gray. Someone on another forum recommended a very complicated mix and I am really glad that I didn't go that route.

I really want to thank this forum for giving objective information about the neutral gray paint. I was getting to the point that I actually considered just buying a screen for fear of going through all kinds of work and being unhappy with the result. One point of my post, which I never really got to, is that anyone thinking about doing this type of project, especially with some of the newer projectors, should try to avoid getting too caught up in the thinking that more complicated is better. I almost did and I'm glad that I didn't.

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Re: Glidden Veil Gray - Simply Excellent

The Stone Hearth is Benjamin Moore. It doesn't look as dark on the swatch as it does in my basement.
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The Stone Hearth is Benjamin Moore. It doesn't look as dark on the swatch as it does in my basement.
It's always possible your paint store didn't get use the correct tint formula and your can really is darker.

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I really didn't realize that the projector was THAT bright. I can say that we will rarely watch it in complete darkness in the basement. It is an open area rather than a dedicated room. With the ambient light that I mentioned, it is very nice.
Yeah, you have enough lumens with that PJ to go an ever darker neutral gray, but if you and your wife are happy with your current image it probably wouldn't be worth the trouble.

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I guess I'm lucky that I didn't try a mix and went neutral gray. Someone on another forum recommended a very complicated mix and I am really glad that I didn't go that route.
You made the right choice!

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I really want to thank this forum for giving objective information about the neutral gray paint. I was getting to the point that I actually considered just buying a screen for fear of going through all kinds of work and being unhappy with the result. One point of my post, which I never really got to, is that anyone thinking about doing this type of project, especially with some of the newer projectors, should try to avoid getting too caught up in the thinking that more complicated is better. I almost did and I'm glad that I didn't.
Yeah, for you to have as many lumens as you do the complicated mixes would be a horrible choice for you. I'm pretty sure what that other forum is and they almost always try to push their mixes no matter what the real proper choice is; the reason they do that is because that forum is more or less their advertising brochure and at least one of the mix developers there makes their living painting screens for people. The real kicker is that they offer no REAL proof of performance for their mixes - they don't know what the real gain of them is, or how neutral their color is; of course that doesn't stop them from throwing out gain values anyway. OK. I'm going to stop talking about those mixes and their problems, if you're curious to know what trouble you almost got into by using that complicated mix we have several threads on Silver Fire on this forum already.

Thank you again for posting!!!
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