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Re: Teaser of some new things coming

And Ben said he used silver powder too... definitely something I'm interested in. Non-interference methods haven't gotten enough use and exposure in my opinion.

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Re: Teaser of some new things coming

Ok, I admit I did not read through the 5 pages. But I did skim over them. Have you tested the new laminates? If so did you post the results and pictures of the screen test somewhere?
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Re: Teaser of some new things coming

The new laminates are still in the box. I have to build the frames for them so I can run tests on them.

I was in NJ for work and am heading to PA for a week, when I get back I'll be finishing up the work on the PFG screen, then doing the commercial screen reviews and then the laminates.

PFG by the way was just a name chosen because it is not a 'gray' made in a conventional way using store pigments. I see it being said that the name is misleading since Kilz2 has pigments, and yes that is true, but I think it's picking nits to say that means it is a 'pigment' made gray. It could be argued that when you add anything to a paint base that is a 'pigment' but again, the point is this isn't a conventional way of making a gray.

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Re: Teaser of some new things coming

Is either of the new laminates alternatives to designer white or are these gray shades.
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Re: Teaser of some new things coming

I'm interested in this thread, and the outcome of the paint and laminates!

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Let's make a screen! Soup to nuts!

First this will be for a material based screen. It can be painted or used as a stand alone white screen option.

Laminates and rigid substrates will get a similar Soup to Nuts treatment. Mech already has one support frame option, but our goal is to make things lighter and we're also working on making the 'fit and trim' as close to professional as possible.

As I said, this method coming will be a frame that you can put any material screen source in, Da-Lite, SMX, Rose Brand, any fabric material that you want to use including painter's canvas and BOC.

Now what if I told you the screen itself (not including the black trim border) will weigh on average around 5 lbs or less for a 106" diagonal screen and best of all, no staples are needed? It can even be done by one person, although two people always makes the task easier.

I will say that the frame itself will need to be secured to the black trim border to make it completely rigid but as will be shown that is a very easy process. I will show the most basic way to do this as well as provide links to sources for the materials needed and even higher grade framing that is sturdier and can stand on its own. Ultimately I am looking at an all in one solution, a frame and trim border all in one that is easy to do yet professional in quality. Right now we are looking at $64 for a unity gain white screen that literally thousands of people have used, and to go from a basic white screen to a PFG will only add $40 or less. We're even working on a way to bring PFG down to the same price as a bottle of Folkart Pearlizing Medium, which is around a buck... so the price will eventually be even lower than $100. Keep in mind if you spray it and don't have a sprayer, that will add to the overall cost. If you roll you'll still need to buy rollers for that. For a basic screen using any material as is we can keep this well under $100, for sprayers it will be a bit more, so just take that into consideration.

This screen tutorial will make a basic unity gain white screen, but one that can also be painted if desired. I will be spraying this screen and covering all the steps through the spraying process. Rolling is easy and has already been covered many times in many places (If you can paint a wall or room, you can roll a screen, it's not as complicated as some make it out to be), a complete spraying tutorial is something I think many can benefit from. Still, rolling is a completely viable method and one that most people will be using, so I probably will do the same Soup to Nuts with a rolled screen, but probably not until after the holidays.

As an added teaser, and yes this is coming very soon, this screen will be a PFG (Pigment Free Gray). Keep an eye out here and for the dedicated thread as well as an up coming interview with Marshal on one of his pod casts.

Also keep an eye out for two new laminate screens that will be tested and full frame build outs included. I do apologize about any delays in things coming, this has been a hectic second half of 2007 for me but I think we're back on track now and there will be some exciting things coming.

I will start showing the frame build out and fixing the screen material to the frame, but may not get to the complete construction until after the 15th. I have to travel to PA and obviously won't be able to get it completed by this weekend. No worries though, for those that want to employ this method, it won't take weeks to do, it is something that can be done over the course of a weekend once all the materials are gathered. Hopefully this will be a fun project that people will get some useful ideas out of, and... it will be a replacement for my own personal 'temp' screen I built as a test, which seems to have been a bit more than temporary.

As we move into the age of better and better projectors with higher resolutions, texture, optical coatings and things of that nature are going to make a bigger difference. This will be a screen option that can grow with people but as of now will work fine with 720p or 1080p projectors. 2007 is coming to a close, but the ideas and methods at HTS are not!

Stay tuned, we have a lot more coming!

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Re: Teaser of some new things coming

Bill, thanks for the preview, can't wait to see what you have in store..

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Re: Teaser of some new things coming

Jack in a nutshell I'm using screen door aluminum frame and spline instead of staples.

It's been done before but nothing really documented and aluminum extrusion was used that came to around $100. Hopefully it's a quick and easy method but it will need to be anchored to a trim border to make it rigid. I am looking for options and found a few sources that I need to call for details. Hopefully it will make more sense when I get the photos done and uploaded.

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Re: Teaser of some new things coming

Well someone finally came through and I got my first test sample of Ti 02! A pint of it raw, now let's see what we can do with it.

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