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You know I do wonder why it seems that quite a few of these companies brought what seems to be their most expensive products to the show. I can only imagine that the majority of the people visiting are not in the market for these expensive systems, although I could be mistaken, since I was not there.

Don't get me wrong, I would like to see the really nice products and give it all a listen myself just to compare the 10's and 100's of thousand dollar systems with my wimpy setup at home... and to simply see the stuff... so much of it is so nice to merely look at in person. HOWEVER, why not bring with you a reasonably priced system that might be more affordable and that might be more in line with what the majority of folks will buy. Then again, I suppose those products might get overshadowed by the more expensive gear. I suppose too that if they sold just one of those higher end systems, it would be the equivalent of selling several of the lesser expensive systems.
To be honest, I think the folks who set the show up did a good job of assigning space. Most of the huge money setups were on the main level or the mezzanine. There were a few on the other 3 floors (the MBLs come to mind), but for the most part those 3 floors had components that would not break the bank so to speak.

Plus, from a purely marketing perspective, it seems to me you bring your most expensive system so that attendees remember it. Then, when they are in the market for equipment, they remember your name and go to your site. I am not sure how many sales actually happen at the shows - that is a good question for me to ask moving forward.


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I wonder if the depth of the cabinet is what allows them to dig that deep. I am speaker design illiterate, but no kidding aside, there were several towers that were not doing as well in the low end as this guy was.
Hi Joe,

The cabinet depth only contributes to the overall enclosed volume, which does indeed contribute to how deep a (passive) speaker will play. The tradeoff is always sensitivity, size and deep bass, so a larger cabinet is required for the other two. Regarding "proportion", keep in mind you are seeing it (3D) in person, Jim in photos. Perhaps lost is the scale, that these are fairly large (for "bookshelfs") at 22" H x 9" W (x 15" D). If they were 12-14" H, then yes, they would be proportioned fairly "skinny".
They are also sealed, which is not the usual, so they roll off in the low end much slower than a vented design. In real rooms, with relatively stiff walls, like a hotel room, there tends to be significant gain at low frequencies, which coupled with the slow roll off at LF, tends to give them (sealed speakers) the perception of the deeper bass being present.
Styling is obviously as subjective as "sound" (and a heavy contributor!), but these adhere to a strict form follows function philosophy, hence the rather large horn. All of these elements (and more), are why they sound exactly the way they do, room to room, with nary a "treatment" in sight.

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Hi Joe,

The cabinet depth only contributes to the overall enclosed volume, which does indeed contribute to how deep a (passive) speaker will play. The tradeoff is always sensitivity, size and deep bass, so a larger cabinet is required for the other two. Regarding "proportion", keep in mind you are seeing it (3D) in person, Jim in photos. Perhaps lost is the scale, that these are fairly large (for "bookshelfs") at 22" H x 9" W (x 15" D). If they were 12-14" H, then yes, they would be proportioned fairly "skinny".
They are also sealed, which is not the usual, so they roll off in the low end much slower than a vented design. In real rooms, with relatively stiff walls, like a hotel room, there tends to be significant gain at low frequencies, which coupled with the slow roll off at LF, tends to give them (sealed speakers) the perception of the deeper bass being present.
Styling is obviously as subjective as "sound" (and a heavy contributor!), but these adhere to a strict form follows function philosophy, hence the rather large horn. All of these elements (and more), are why they sound exactly the way they do, room to room, with nary a "treatment" in sight.

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Thanks for the explanation AJ!


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Re: AXPONA 2013 Show Report by Joe Alexander of HTS

So, with that, I have posted all my thoughts and impressions through Saturday.

I will be starting on Sunday's impressions beginning tomorrow. However, I would like to start to collect everyone's thoughts on what you like in the process so far, what you think can be improved upon, and any suggestions on what you would like to see included in future show reviews. For those exhibitors following along, what types of information would you like to see provided through these reviews?

As this is my first experience doing this type of review, I want to make sure I am tailoring these to provide you all with the best possible information as well as improving my ability to perform them. Do not worry about offending me - I have thick skin. If you do not feel comfortable posting it, please feel free to PM me.

I will say - it may seem as if I liked everything! Truth be told, it was a great event and there were just a handful of setups that I thought did not perform well. It was quite a collection of amazing gear.


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Thanks for the very in-depth reviews and pictures Joe! I'm glad you were able to visit Mark Seaton's room, I bet his system sounds better than those costing 10x as much.

We need to get you a press pass and send you to more of these events
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My last stop on Saturday was in the Indy Audio Labs / Waterfall Audio room. A few photos:
Oh those are beautiful Thats is definitely my kind of look for a speaker.

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Thanks for the very in-depth reviews and pictures Joe! I'm glad you were able to visit Mark Seaton's room, I bet his system sounds better than those costing 10x as much.

We need to get you a press pass and send you to more of these events
It did as a matter of fact - definitely one of my best experiences of the weekend. And, I think I am going to go to LSAF - should be fun!

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Oh those are beautiful Thats is definitely my kind of look for a speaker.
I know, right?! While they of course would not fly in a dedicated HT, they are probably one of the most WAF friendly speakers you will find for other places in the house.

And, do not forget guys - let me know your thoughts on improving this review process!


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And, do not forget guys - let me know your thoughts on improving this review process!
Just a thought for next time you do this that you have a dedicated thread where no one can post and have a separate discussion thread that way things dont get so spread out.

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Just a thought for next time you do this that you have a dedicated tread where no one can post and have a separate discussion thread that way things dont get so spread out.
That is a great idea Tony - I will definitely use that one. Thanks!


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Just a thought for next time you do this that you have a dedicated thread where no one can post and have a separate discussion thread that way things dont get so spread out.
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That is a great idea Tony - I will definitely use that one. Thanks!
We can probably do this with this thread. I can remove all the comments to a discussion thread pretty easily. Add a link to the first post for the discussion thread. We can close this thread and Joe can continue to add his content. A couple of times on each page he can reference the discussion thread... as well as at the end of the thread when he is done.

EDIT: Done! This is now the discussion thread for the AXPONA 2013 Official Show Report by Joe Alexander of HTS
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