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post #11 of 20 Old 04-17-08, 07:56 PM
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Re: axiom?

boomy and tight could be a result of the room and placement. also, did you A/B them or did you have one at a time?

i've A/B'ed the DLS-5000R and the EP500. the EP500 was about 5% better for about twice the price. (it has slightly better extension, but it was less loud, and when exceeding 85-90db, the low end on the EP500 would disappear)

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I A/B'd them as best as I could, I do not have the fancy switches and stuff, just turn off, plug in and back on, as fast as possible by a helper, I did this through many different movie scenes and musical varieties. My results could have been due to room acoustics, but I did the same tests at a friends 4000cf room as well and we both agreed with my initial findings even in his room. We did an EP600, EP350v3 and the DLS-5000R at his house and the EP600 is definitely the best sub Axiom makes and that isn't saying much considering you can get the PB13-ultra for the same price(Hopefully I will get mine in a few weeks). The EP350v3 gives the big Ep600 a run for the money and wins because it is less than half the price which is why I said if I were toget an Axiom sub it would be the new EP350v3; it's the best bang for the buck from Axiom. It even gave my PB12 a run for the money sound wise, but you could tell the PB12 for $100 more is still the better choice.

The Axiom subs are dated in their technology and it seems Axiom is happy with the way they sound, which might be why they won't answer you Mike, they feel there is nothing wrong with them If they cut all of they're prices in half then they might be a reasonable choice. It is a sad state for such a good speaker company, then again look at what the rest of the speaker companies subwoofer offerings, not many offer really good subs either.

Like you said, and I briefly touched on, the Axiom subs do not like to be run loud, usuall listening SPLs work but when you want to really crank it up they are not the ones to do it with and lets face it, the max SPL they are rated at is lower than the competition. I know many of those with Axiom subs really like them, its just us bass heads that seem to not like them as much.
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having a sub is ok (and selling them for gold) ... i mean, bose does it. but at least treat customers that paid for the product some respect, i didn't want a refund, i just wanted their side of the story vs. ilkka's test. and they said i was stirring the pot. that there is the instant I removed them from my IE favorites folder. no matter what product they come out with ... i will never consider them again.

it looks like they don't need the money or customers anyway.

but like you said, the cheaper PB12NSD will beat the snot out of the EP350. with super customer service too.
(and i do put my money where my mouth is ... i just ordered the PB12NSD, PB10NSD, SB12 Plus and the 25-31PCi - like i said, it feels good buying from people that give you good customer service)
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... i just ordered the PB12NSD, PB10NSD, SB12 Plus and the 25-31PCi - like i said, it feels good buying from people that give you good customer service)
Mike your crazy. The shipping charges alone for all that out to you must be about what I make in a year. I will look forward to your interpretations of the PB12-NSD.
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yeah, im considering the PB12NSD as one of my stereo subs (i plan to set the fronts to large, and these guys would take over from 90hz and below)

if it's insufficient, next step would be ultras on their sides...
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Back in the day when Axiom was the flavor of the month (before all the other ID companies really took off), I heard one set of Axiom floorstanders and it was appallingly bad. I really didn't like the sound at all.....it sounded wrong to my ears. I never looked at them seriously again. That taught me two things:

1) You must listen and judge the speaker yourself.
2) Don't believe everything you read in the forums. Many times people who buy these things recommend them without having actually compared them to anything else, or just repeating what they heard.

Since Axiom is Canadian, I would still choose Paradigm, PSB, or Energy speakers first as I have owned or heard them firsthand myself and liked them

Sooo....whether you find them a good value is only something you can consider. Maybe the only way to find out is to try them for yourself, but make sure you have a reference point to compare them to.

I'm an equal opportunity fanboy. I love and currently own stuff from B&W, Paradigm, Dynaudio, Sony, SVS, Denon, Velodyne, Mirage, AKG, Headroom (all subject to change at any moment)
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Back in the day when Axiom was the flavor of the month (before all the other ID companies really took off), I heard one set of Axiom floorstanders and it was appallingly bad. I really didn't like the sound at all.....it sounded wrong to my ears.
That sounds like it might have been the original M80, the drivers went (from top down) TMTMWW. I have never heard it, but I know it didn't last long in that configuration and was quickly changed out to its present form. Alan Loft, a former editor of Sound&Vision who is affiliated with Axiom now, didn't like the original M80 design/sound, so he persuaded them to make the change to it's current form.
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Re: axiom?

Axiom originally had these:
http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...1&d=1208959748
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Ya, those are the AX series. I wasn't thinking that far back as I felt the ID companies have only come into their own in tha last 6-7 years and I am pretty sure the latest style of Axioms have been around since 2000.
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Axiom used to be sold retail too, I believe McCulloch Audio in Winnipeg sold them.
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