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Re: Thoughts on Behringer Studio Monitors (2030 and others), active and passive

I'm sure, like a lot of tweaks, the effort won't doesn't exactly create an equal improvement, but more like every little bit counts, and when you have so little invested in the monitors, and the mods themselves are so inexpensive, it can't hurt.

I think I'm going to try modding one of mine at a time, then listening to both the modded/unmodded in a single blind. Or maybe I'll just sit back and enjoy them as they are.
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It would be interesting to hear your impressions of any changes. Of course I much prefer data, but a stated audible difference would give me incentive to try and get data. I've got a pair of these on the way so I'll take a look at them ASAP. Maybe that 1k dip might indicate an underdamped box. I've seen similar things in underdamped boxes around 450-1000Hz. I've never seen it as smooth as that though, but I've also never measured pp cones before.

I'm thinking about getting an active one for a center channel.

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I also prefer data, I'm just afraid I'm not technically knowledgeable enough to collect. Which pair do you have on the way? You already have a pair of the 2031p, correct? Isn't that would you measured, or did those belong to a friend?
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Does anyone know if it's possible to take the baffle section of the 2030 off so it could be re-mounted in another enclosure without cutting?
Yes it's possible, as shown here - Behringer Mod Assistance @ Audioholics forum

I believe all praise must be forwarded to WmAx, who is the originator of the said mods, he has also stated they would make very good inwall speakers because of this easy removal of the front baffle/waveguide.
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The measurements were of a friends B2031P. That's the pair I have on the way. I was so shocked by the performance, I had to buy a pair just for fun. It's ridiculous to get that performance for that money. I feel like I'm robbing someone. Makes you wonder what some of the Mackie or high end whatever monitors measure like. Studio monitors may well be where it's at. I saw measurements on the high end Genelec 8260A, excellent, but not worlds away from this Behringer. Perhaps a bit better however and excellent vertical pattern as well d/t the coax MT/WG. It's a crazy cool speaker, but very expensive.

anyway, those are my thoughts,

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Yes it's possible, as shown here - Behringer Mod Assistance @ Audioholics forum

I believe all praise must be forwarded to WmAx, who is the originator of the said mods, he has also stated they would make very good inwall speakers because of this easy removal of the front baffle/waveguide.
Cheers. I was thinking they would be good in my surrounds with a JBL2225 6th order ported below with an active 300Hz or so xover to relieve them of even less midbass duty. Performance everywhere else looks good and I'm at around 2-2.5m distance from them.

Saves me a pair of stereo amps (already have them and can be used elsewhere) and at $A220/pr not much more than the cost of the 6.5" pro drivers I planned to use, and no need to buy the tweeters too. I have everything else to hand and can even sell some other bits, so net cost might be around zero.
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Re: Thoughts on Behringer Studio Monitors (2030 and others), active and passive

Dan,

I saw measurements of Mackie's original HR824's somewhere years back and they were very good as well. Stereophile? I had a pair of the Mackie's but sold them to a friend when I was in a pinch. they were better than the Behri's but it wasn't a monumental difference. Small things like clarity at high volumes, a little more output, a little more bass extension, a little better constructed, etc. Other than that it was pretty close to my ears. They were better but $700 better?


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I drive my 2031A pair at the practice area pretty hard usually. It's a 9000cu ft space with high levels of background noise and we are usually probably 12-20ft away from them. In that type of environment a little more oomph could be used, but in a quieter setting, in a room half the size and in much closer proximity to them they are usually more than enough except for the very loudest movie dynamics.

They hit their limits first in the bass and midbass. If you throw a steep 24db 100hz or even 120hz hpf on them they open up with considerably more dynamic headroom.
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I drive my 2031A pair at the practice area pretty hard usually. It's a 9000cu ft space with high levels of background noise and we are usually probably 12-20ft away from them. In that type of environment a little more oomph could be used, but in a quieter setting, in a room half the size and in much closer proximity to them they are usually more than enough except for the very loudest movie dynamics.

They hit their limits first in the bass and midbass. If you throw a steep 24db 100hz or even 120hz hpf on them they open up with considerably more dynamic headroom.
Thanks, useful datapoint. I was looking at the 2030P so assuming a ~ 150Hz HPF maybe my LAB12 sealed in 40L or so would make a good pairing. I'll pick up a pair and try them with both as I have the drivers DCX's and amps and 2 different rough enclosures that would suit each for testing.
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Thanks Gents for the input. I just paid $158 for the pair of the Behris shipped. For that money, I have no right to complain about any faults they have. Though one day I wouldn't be surprised if I had a set of those Mackies or Genelecs on the chopping block. The Genes are nearly $6,000 each! The Mackies $650 each, but active(looks like they may use the same drivers as the B2031). The B2031 Active is $180 each.

Interesting,

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This looks to be another bargain:
http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/mea...y_primus_p162/


The 500-1kHz ripplie looks like insufficient cabinet damping. A little fiberglass insulation should smooth that right out.

Here's a graph of 2 same model speakers. One in a damped box, the other not.


Looks familiar,

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