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post #41 of 51 Old 02-23-17, 10:46 AM Thread Starter
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Sonnie, this is awesome that you're getting set up for Atmos. I wonder why you chose to do 5.1.4 instead of 7.1.4. If I recall right, your room is plenty deep enough to accommodate surround back speakers, and I figured you already had them set up in your prior layout. Just curious. I bet that Martin Logan setup is going to sound awesome.

Nice to hear from you again
II believe it is mainly a matter of availability of content in 7.1 vs 5.1. and also, Sonnie's room, although large, is a little crowded where a pair of rear speakers would go.
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Good point about content, although it's worth noting that all Atmos tracks will use surround back channels if present (whether decoded by an Atmos renderer or by a standard TrueHD decoder).
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Wayne said it... as I understand, the rears should be about the same height as the surrounds, which is a serious issue, unless I do away with my acoustic panel covered cabinets. I could do a pair of very small speakers up high, but not sure how much I would notice them.
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Yeah, Dolby calls out for all surround speakers to be about ear height. Obviously you have to have them high enough to clear furniture and the heads of anyone in the back row, so that the front row has line of sight to them. Ideally not higher than required though.

Based on what I've read, if you have to have them up near the ceiling, it in fact may not be worth doing. OTOH, if you already had them I would keep using them myself. IMHO.
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It's good to see you posting again Sonnie! We miss you around here. Atmos has been a nice addition in my setup. I think you'll enjoy it.
Thanks Jeff... and I am around... just don't post much anymore. Got too much going on with my other businesses. But all along I get the bug to do something to my room and like to poke my head in. Although a reply to the review did get my attention to post this time around.
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Wayne said it... as I understand, the rears should be about the same height as the surrounds, which is a serious issue, unless I do away with my acoustic panel covered cabinets. I could do a pair of very small speakers up high, but not sure how much I would notice them.
I would not change a thing, knowing your room and preferences.

I will be there within the next few weeks for an audio kraziness and funn kind of visit. No doubt it will be a topic of discussion.
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I have read through this review with much interest since I own the exact same speakers and planning to build a HT setup with it.

I have a few comments or points of discussion after going through the article a couple of times.

I miss the measurements of the initial speaker setup at the beginning of the review, it would have been nice to be included.
"Final" means after anywhere between 2 or 3 or 20 or 30 moves. The only one that really matters is the last one. Trying to record the details of every one of them can be prohibitive.

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I recalculated the dimension mentioned for the final placement, the LP angle on top of the toe in angle makes it a bit confusing but roughly ends up around 69in of distance in the speaker plane, resulting in around 90in from LP to speaker, which is less than 108in x 1+ which is recommended by ML. This makes it a near field field LP while in your review about the ESL9 you chose a mid field LP. But if I am correct the width of the Cedar Cinema is 138in (11.5ft) and while the speakers are placed 108in apart you measured the distance from the side wall to be 60in which results in a total width of the room of 228in which doesn't add up unless my metrical brain is screwing thing up for me.
i think of near field as being within arm's reach. My DAW workplace speakers are nearfield. A distance of 7.5 feet is not nearfield, more like midfield, if that. Depends on the room and the definitions.

Cedar Creek Cinema is 234 in wide.

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I wonder what can happens when you time the reflections of the front speaker with the direct sound of the surround speakers, or the reflective sound of the surround speakers if there is any. I like to use these speaker for my home cinema build but everyone seems to agree that they aren't a good idea but more suited for music, which you seem to suggest with your review as well since you mainly use music as review material.
"Everyone seems to agree" but me and Sonnie and anyone who has heard his room and watched movies there and a number of others I can think of who used electrostatics for cinema. True, I sometimes focus on music for reviews, I have found the demands to be far more critical, and the music-to-cinema "bridge" to be quite predictable for hybrid electrostatics like MartinLogans. An assumption is that room treatment and correction like Dirac Live, with its custom target curves, will be in play.
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To put an exclamation mark on it... I am ordering 4 MartinLogan EM-IC 6.5" speakers to mount in my ceiling for ATMOS. Now running 13A's up front with the Stage X and the ESL's for surround. Planning a 5.2.4 ATMOS setup.
I will be following that idea with great interest. I am curious how the panels work out as surround speakers.
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An assumption is that room treatment and correction like Dirac Live, with its custom target curves, will be in play.
What treatment would you suggest? I found sound absorption not working to great with the speakers on the front or side wall.
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One would have to see the room, speaker and LP placement, REW measurements, to be able to say...
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