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post #1 of 17 Old 04-06-14, 01:42 PM Thread Starter
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Klipsch Reference, Aperion Audio, or SVS

So I've just about given up on any big box retailer and home theater stores in Dallas drive me crazy because they assume every customer has no clue what they want and can spend 20k on a room all day long. I have found this site an incredibly valuable resource and I have a few questions for your guys. We are building a home and I've got 5 months to make decisions on gear. I'll outline what I'm thinking for speakers below and would appreciate your take and feedback.

Room size is 10x18, dedicated theater room with no windows, prewired for 7.2. Left, center, and right at hammer height with both subs in front on either side of center. 10 foot ceilings and both the rear and sides are prewired up 6 feet with the sides 13 feet from the front and rears placed in thirds along the back wall.

Due to the smaller size room, my initial decision is to put a fairly high quality bookshelf system in with bipole surrounds and in-wall rear surrounds together with 2 12" subs and a solid center speaker. I'm looking at the Aperion Versus, SVS Ultra, and Klipsch RB-62 II for speaker systems and their associated center and surrounds with matching rear in-wall surrounds as well. My budget for the 7.1 system without subs is approx 3k.

I am an audio engineer and have a good deal of knowledge on tuning systems, frequency response, etc. My least fav frequencies are the harshness from 1.6 to 4k, the mud around 260-300, and the boomy 100hz. That being said, I am fully aware that speakers are a personal preference but I've only heard the Klipsch and for the price and efficiency they sounded pretty good. My question is whether or not at my budget there are better options and for those with the Aperion or SVS set ups, what is your opinion on sound quality, sound stage, transparency, acoustic accuracy, etc?

Though not in the appropriate section, I assume an SVS sub is the only way to go right? So is the ported 13" gonna give me more than 2 12"? What the most bang for the buck there? What about their cylindrical options?

My setup will be prob 90% HT use and 10% 2 ch audio. Thanks everyone!

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Re: Klipsch Reference, Aperion Audio, or SVS

The SVS pb13u is a beast of a sub and yes it will out preform 2 12" subs in most cases. The only advantage to having two 12" subs would be that the bass response would be smoother throughout the room but they would not dig nearly as low as the SVS.

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Re: Klipsch Reference, Aperion Audio, or SVS

Howdy Fellow Texan!

The first thing that came to mind was room treatment, followed by multiple subs to smooth room response; both will help achieve your mentioned goals for quality sound, perhaps as much as speaker selection. Flexibility with your sub placement might be quite helpful as well.

Further suggestions might be assisted by how many/placement of seating you plan for the room.


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With that budget I would give Jon or Craig a call @ Chane Music & Cinema. Link at the top of the page. They are offering some nice package deals currently...really worth a look.

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From what I can see, in that small space, I agree with the nod to bipoles, and ironglens suggestion of treatment will also play a big part. Especially with a 10' width. I also agree with tony on the ultra. It is a beast. Since you're gonna be 90% theater, I would say ultra again. Small spaces can use sealed subs, but in my experience, for a mostly HT application you'll be more satisfied with the easy power and impact of ported. Plus, the ultra can be configured for sealed if you want to play with that idea. I use 2 PC pluses, and they dig deep an hit nice too. They are also tunable, and while I might choose differently for a music only system, they do admirably there too. I also prefer their appearance. Since your building, maybe a DIY side project might fit in? A couple of TC powered sonosubs... Again I would keep treatment in mind too. I've used the analogy of focusing in with binoculars(who hasn't done that right? Lol). That's a visual equivalent of what good room treatment will do. You might have enough scraps laying around to frame up some absorbers, and maybe fill material too. While you're in build mode, maybe pull some cable to the rear corners for an experiment in sub placement,(that's where mine are) or in case you end up with 4!!! Pics?
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From what I can see, in that small space, I agree with the nod to bipoles, and ironglens suggestion of treatment will also play a big part. Especially with a 10' width. I also agree with tony on the ultra. It is a beast. Since you're gonna be 90% theater, I would say ultra again. Small spaces can use sealed subs, but in my experience, for a mostly HT application you'll be more satisfied with the easy power and impact of ported. Plus, the ultra can be configured for sealed if you want to play with that idea. I use 2 PC pluses, and they dig deep an hit nice too. They are also tunable, and while I might choose differently for a music only system, they do admirably there too. I also prefer their appearance. Since your building, maybe a DIY side project might fit in? A couple of TC powered sonosubs... Again I would keep treatment in mind too. I've used the analogy of focusing in with binoculars(who hasn't done that right? Lol). That's a visual equivalent of what good room treatment will do. You might have enough scraps laying around to frame up some absorbers, and maybe fill material too. While you're in build mode, maybe pull some cable to the rear corners for an experiment in sub placement,(that's where mine are) or in case you end up with 4!!! Pics?
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Thanks for this. We are in the framing process as we speak so I'll start posting pics in the build threads shortly. Yes I had already thought about pulling some cable for multiple sub locations; great idea. As far as treatment is concerned, obviously the mirror method works but to what extent? Left wall, right wall, ceiling, rear wall. Are we talking absorption or reflection? Bass traps? This is the part of the room design that I know the least about. Don't want to hijack my own thread as there is a lot of good treatment threads on here. I'll start spending some more time over there! Thanks again.

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My pleasure. I have to admit that I too know comparatively less about the best way to treat a room than to equip it. I'll defer the tough answers over to the treatment threads as not to speak out of turn. Lol. Also contact GIK. They are the real experts, and really helpful, I understand. We'll be watchin!
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Re: Klipsch Reference, Aperion Audio, or SVS

Well your room sounds very similar to mine except you have 10 foot ceilings. I personally have the Aperion Verus Grand Towers and love love love them! They are such a great speaker in my opinion. If you read the reviews they are very favorable but they do have their weak points. But for the money I don't think you will be disappointed.

I have an SVS sub too but only a NSD level so I can't comment on the Ultra but I find the NSD lots in my room. Again another great buy IMO.

So in short, you can buy Aperion and SVS pretty much worry free. They are both great choices!

AVR - Onkyo TX-SR709
Amp - Rotel 985 Mkii
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Fronts - Aperion Verus Grand Towers
Center - Energy RC-LCR
Sub - SVS PB-12NSD
Surrounds - Energy CR-10 x4
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Hummm.
Since you want to go with the bookshelf speakers I would get the RB-81's for the fuller sound.
If they are going to be on speaker stands I would get the RF-62'S or RF-82's, again for the fuller sound and they don't take up much more floor space than the bookshelf speakers on stands.
The RC-62 is a great center channel speaker.
With your limited floor space I would consider one of the SVS cylinder subs. While the 13 ultra is certainly a beast one of the lower models would still easily be capable of overwhelming the room. Not arguing against the ultra, just sayin'.
For surround speakers opinions vary but I really like the RS series compared to the less expensive bookshelf options, but it depends on how wide of an area you want direct sound to cover.
For rears the main problem with built in speakers is they are built in.
I would go with wall mounted instead.
Sorry your experience with the Dallas area stores has been negative, mine has ranged from stellar to pathetic.
On occasion there are deals to be had at Starpower. The sales staff varies a lot in knowledge and attitude but there are lots of them so just sift through till you get one you like.
Above all be courteous and if buying a set of speakers and AVR there are deals to be negotiated.
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Above all be courteous and if buying a set of speakers and AVR there are deals to be negotiated.
This is my problem, none so far have been willing to negotiate anything. They tell me they're giving me their "best price" but I know too well what all this stuff sells for and their prices suck. One local store located inside some of the furniture stores around town quoted $6500 for a 7.1 system including the very lowest end in-wall Klipsch speakers, a sunfire sub, BenQ proj, and generic screen. Are you kidding???

I have read good things about the RB-62ii and RB-82ii but have only heard their floor standing stuff at Fry's. They sound pretty good although wasn't too impressed with the sub. Would the Aperion Versus or SVS Ultra sound better? Who knows. I will eq the system to my liking but I want to get a speaker that has the best sounding soundstage and most neutral sound right out of the box. Decisions decisions. Gonna be a fun 4-5 months of research before the house is built. Thanks for the input!

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