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post #41 of 131 Old 11-13-09, 08:04 AM
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I had a VSX-56txi for about 5 years, but finally gave in to the demand for HDMI about 6 months ago and replaced it with a VSX-03TXH.

I really like the Pio Receivers, but for some reason they won't apply PLIIx to a dts track. Has anyone else noticed this?
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Ya, but it will apply DTS-Neo6, which is the equivalent.

* Same with any other receivers.

** PLIIx is a Dolby Digital proprietary audio mode. DTS has it's own with DTS-Neo6, for DTS without the back surrounds encoded soundtracks. Right?

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Ya, but it will apply DTS-Neo6, which is the equivalent.

* Same with any other receivers.

** PLIIx is a Dolby Digital proprietary audio mode. DTS has it's own with DTS-Neo6, for DTS without the back surrounds encoded soundtracks. Right?

That's what I thought too for many years, but a few months ago several people told me that you can use PLIIx on DTS tracks (converting 5.1 to 7.1) with most receivers, but not Pioneers. That the fact that one's Dolby and one's DTS doesn't have anything to do with it. Here's an example discussion:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=979272


PS. Neo:6 isn't really the equivalent since IIx converts to 7.1 and Neo:6 only converts to 6.1
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My Denon AVR-3805 shows DTS + Neo6, when I play a DTS soundtrack encoded in 5 channels, and that I apply Neo6 on top of it, to derive a 7.1-channel sound.

But if the soundtrack is Dolby Digital, then it shows DD + PLIIx.

Your Pioneer is doing the same. That's just the way it is.

* Oh, I forgot, it also shows if it's Cinema or Music.
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Have you tried getting PLIIx to work on a dts track.

Other Denon owners get this displayed: DTS + PLIIX CINEMA

I don't think that's just the way it is. PLIIx can work with DD or DTS, but not all receivers work that way.

Oh, and you can't drive 7.1 sound with Neo:6. All 7 speakers will work, but the sound coming out of the two rears will be identical as opposed to true 7.1 where they're independent of each other.

That's the reason I wish my Pio would apply PLIIx to dts tracks, but it won't. Other receivers will.
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i am planning to buy Pioneer VSX-819H-K from amazon but i was wondering to check with the folks here to get their input as well

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i am planning to buy Pioneer VSX-819H-K from amazon but i was wondering to check with the folks here to get their input as well

sorry i cant post links as of now since i have to get to 5 posts before i can post links
Unless you're on a very strict budget, I'd go for the 919 for another $100.

Things 919 has that the 819 doesn't:

An extra 10 watts per channel
7 channels vs 5
Advanced MCACC
Standing wave control
X-Curve compensation
More calibration memory modes
SD video adjustment
Digital video converter to HDMI
Aspect Ratio adjust
More surround modes
Headphone surround
Virtual sound in rear
Dialogue Enhancement
Digital Noise Reduction
Album Art capability w/iphone
Color on-screen display
Renamable functions
Better remote.

You might be able to get the 919 from Will2 at videogon.com for less than $300. I have no affiliation with him (other than having purchased from him before), but he's an authorized Pioneer dealer with a store in Wisconsin.
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Have you tried getting PLIIx to work on a dts track.

Other Denon owners get this displayed: DTS + PLIIX CINEMA

I don't think that's just the way it is. PLIIx can work with DD or DTS, but not all receivers work that way.

Oh, and you can't drive 7.1 sound with Neo:6. All 7 speakers will work, but the sound coming out of the two rears will be identical as opposed to true 7.1 where they're independent of each other.

That's the reason I wish my Pio would apply PLIIx to dts tracks, but it won't. Other receivers will.
Why would you want to drive a 7.1 encoded disc with neo6 anyway. If it is encoded in 7.1 you would just play it in 7.1 right off the disc. Am I misunderstanding you?
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Why would you want to drive a 7.1 encoded disc with neo6 anyway. If it is encoded in 7.1 you would just play it in 7.1 right off the disc. Am I misunderstanding you?
I'm referring to 5.1 encoded tracks. Standard DD and DTS, not lossless.
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I'm referring to 5.1 encoded tracks. Standard DD and DTS, not lossless.
Ya, I should have realized that. So some recievers allow you to apply neo6 or plII to 5.1 dts tracks? I know my Elite doesn't.
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