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post #51 of 131 Old 11-13-09, 03:44 PM
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Ya, I should have realized that. So some recievers allow you to apply neo6 or plII to 5.1 dts tracks? I know my Elite doesn't.
You should be able to apply neo6 to your dts tracks, but not PLIIx. But apparently, other receivers do.
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Unless you're on a very strict budget, I'd go for the 919 for another $100.

Things 919 has that the 819 doesn't:

An extra 10 watts per channel
7 channels vs 5
Advanced MCACC
Standing wave control
X-Curve compensation
More calibration memory modes
SD video adjustment
Digital video converter to HDMI
Aspect Ratio adjust
More surround modes
Headphone surround
Virtual sound in rear
Dialogue Enhancement
Digital Noise Reduction
Album Art capability w/iphone
Color on-screen display
Renamable functions
Better remote.

You might be able to get the 919 from Will2 at videogon.com for less than $300. I have no affiliation with him (other than having purchased from him before), but he's an authorized Pioneer dealer with a store in Wisconsin.
Thanks for your advice, how can i look for Will2 on that website you mentioned ?
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Have you tried getting PLIIx to work on a dts track.

Other Denon owners get this displayed: DTS + PLIIX CINEMA

I don't think that's just the way it is. PLIIx can work with DD or DTS, but not all receivers work that way.

Oh, and you can't drive 7.1 sound with Neo:6. All 7 speakers will work, but the sound coming out of the two rears will be identical as opposed to true 7.1 where they're independent of each other.

That's the reason I wish my Pio would apply PLIIx to dts tracks, but it won't. Other receivers will.
Hi Stew,

I'll give it another shot late tonight. And I will be back to confirm.

* I got you, PLIIx is deriving two different signals in the back surrounds (from the two different signals in the side surrounds), and DTS-Neo6 is deriving only one (the same signal in the two back surrounds) from the two side surrounds. Here we are still talking about a 5.1-channel encoded soundtrack, in both cases.

** And if you're right about Pioneer acting differently than other receivers in that situation,
I don't see the big deal in that. This is the first time I heard of that.
Also, to be frank with you, I don't play DVDs anymore for over two years now, only Blu-rays;
so for me, the point is moot.

*** But, I do understand that your situation might be different. In that case, as I said, I don't see a big deal in that. Every manufacturer has it's own way to implement and tweek their audio.
Also, it could be only a mistake showing in the display, from Pioneer engineers.
You know, it's not the first time; and many receivers from various companies have their perks (flaws).

**** Is that a good reason enough for you to swith brands?

I'll be back & Cheers,
Bob

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All right Stew, I just check "Chicago" on DVD with both DD 5.1 & DTS 5.1 soundtracks.

Here's what my Denon receiver says on its front display:

1. With DD 5.1 soundtrack -> If I add PLIIx on top, it says: Dolby D +PLIIx C ('C' for Cinema).

2. With DTS 5.1 soundtrack -> If I add NEO:6 (ES Matrix) on top, it says: DTS + NEO:6

3. With DTS 5.1 soundtrack -> If I add Back Surround(s) (Non Matrix) on top, it only says: DTS
* (but my two back surrounds are active now, in the 'Non Matrix' audio mode.

4. Now, here's the thing you already knew, and that I can definitively confirm:
-> With DTS 5.1 soundtrack, if I add PLIIx on top, it says: DTS + PLIIx C (again 'C' for Cinema).

So here you go.

))) Now, my big question: Is it all the Pioneer A/V Receivers who you cannot apply PLIIx on top of a DTS 5.1-channel soundtrack? And I mean from older models to most recent models?
If yes, is this a flaw, or Pioneer own way to do things at their own discretion?
* Because with Dolby Digital & DTS, there are some Standards that have to apply to all manufacturers.

** But like I said before, no one is impervious to anomalies in their designs; if this is one of them.
There is no such thing as the perfect Receiver, or Amp, or Pre/Pro, etc.

Hope this make you sleep better.

Cheers,
Bob
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Also, to be frank with you, I don't play DVDs anymore for over two years now, only Blu-rays;
so for me, the point is moot.
However, PLIIx can still be used with lossless 5.1 audio, correct? So, blu rays with 5.1 DTS-HD MA will play only via 5 speakers if you have a 7 channel set-up (with Pio). Or you could apply Neo:6 to it with Pioneers and get 6.1. You can't, however apply 7.1 if dts is the only track. I hate not being able to use all 7 of the speakers in my HT, because I can really tell the difference.

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**** Is that a good reason enough for you to swith brands?
No.

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))) Now, my big question: Is it all the Pioneer A/V Receivers who you cannot apply PLIIx on top of a DTS 5.1-channel soundtrack? And I mean from older models to most recent models?
If yes, is this a flaw, or Pioneer own way to do things at their own discretion?
As far as I know, it's with all Pioneers, but I've never heard a reason for it. Just seems weird that they would do it.

Still a great receiver, but I've learned to always use the DD track if both are available and "suffer" through if it's only dts.
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Wow! You really dig PLIIx, do you now?

On top of Lossless (not Lossy though) 5.1 audio soundtracks?

* You know Stew, if I will be in your skin, I'll get another A/V Receiver (don't matter the brand, except Pioneer) that allow me to do just exactly what I really want it to do, and stop suffering by missing on those two back surrounds.
Because it is painful in your situation right now, and you need to fix things for yourself, cause it don't seem that Pioneer will.

Just a simple friendly deduction from what you're telling me.

Hey Stew, did you check at other audio forums about this matter?
Are there a lot of people like you aware of this issue?

Regards,
Bob
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Well for me it really doesn't matter because I rarely use neo or PLII for movies. All that does is matrix the sound anyway and to me is useless. Now for music it's fine if you just want to help fill the room but I don't even use it for that. Also that is not even close to being a good enough reason to change recievers, IMO.
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Wow! You really dig PLIIx, do you now?

On top of Lossless (not Lossy though) 5.1 audio soundtracks?

* You know Stew, if I will be in your skin, I'll get another A/V Receiver (don't matter the brand, except Pioneer) that allow me to do just exactly what I really want it to do, and stop suffering by missing on those two back surrounds.
Because it is painful in your situation right now, and you need to fix things for yourself, cause it don't seem that Pioneer will.

Just a simple friendly deduction from what you're telling me.

Hey Stew, did you check at other audio forums about this matter?
Are there a lot of people like you aware of this issue?

Regards,
Bob
Yes, I love PLIIx. The difference between 5.1 and 7.1 is very noticeable to me, even with lossless audio (DD True HD + PLIIx is magnificent), because most Blu Rays are still 5.1. However, I've been using pioneer receivers exclusively for almost 10 years, so it's not a deal breaker, just a weird issue.

And yes, I'm a member of 4 or 5 forums and that's how I became aware of it. Up until recently, I thought it was an issue with all receivers (DD vs DTS), like you alluded to earlier. Now that I know the truth, it's a minor quibble, but not enough to cause me to switch.
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You know, if I will enumerate all the little flaws (and bigger ones too) in all my receivers over the years,
it would be quite a list.

And I mean with all of them, from all manufacturers (Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo, Marantz, Pioneer, Rotel, NAD, Sherwood, Harman Kardon, Arcam, etc...).

* Life is a compromise, you choose your poison with the most effective way to do it's 'trick'. Right? Or is it 'magic'?
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