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post #11 of 17 Old 12-07-12, 08:26 AM
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Re: Harman Kardon or Marantz

As much as I like my Marantz SR6003 - and I really do like it! - if I had to buy another AVR tomorrow I'd go with either a Denon or an Onkyo. Both brands make good-quality, well-equipped and competitively-priced AVRs.
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Re: Harman Kardon or Marantz

Hello,
Since Denon and Marantz merged, their AVR and SSP's are pretty much only superficially different. This has been especially so since Bain Capital purchased D&M Holdings and massively restructured them.

The biggest thing I have noticed since Bain took over is more and more series no longer being made in Japan (now China) and the AVR's pulling a Jenny Craig. For instance, the pre merger $1699 7 Channel Denon AVR-3808 weighed 39.2 pounds whereas the $2499 9 Channel AVR-4520CI weighs 36 pounds.

I do like H/K and am a huge fan of Logic 7. However, as has been pointed out above, they just have not seemed as relevant in the HDMI era.
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Re: Harman Kardon or Marantz

I would choose Marantz over HK, based on historical quality and support. I am not sure what is happening with Marantz in the last few years as I have not been involved in the business of service and sales directly any more.

Overall, for receivers, I would choose Onkyo for raw value, Yamaha for quality and support.




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I'll take a stab at this, for example, the Denon AVR-3313, can be had for around $1100 vs the equivalent Marantz SR7007 would cost you $1800 (Amazon.com). That's $700 extra for essentially the same AVR.

H/K is losing ground feature wise. Unfortunately, today's buyer are more interested in apps, networking ability, fancy GUIs, streaming capabilities and "stuff" like that (I'm not in that group). H/K is behind on those features. Also, H/K's EzSET is not up to par with Audyssey for instance.

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Jay Leno said it best (in reference to some of his cars):

People just don't want to pay for engineering they cannot see.

The same is true for most of today's high end electronics. The mass market just doesn't want to pay for what they don't immediately see when they walk in to a store (uninformed). Harmon stuff is usually very well designed and the compromise for that HK quality comes at the expense of cost (price point).

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Hello,
Since Denon and Marantz merged, their AVR and SSP's are pretty much only superficially different. This has been especially so since Bain Capital purchased D&M Holdings and massively restructured them.

The biggest thing I have noticed since Bain took over is more and more series no longer being made in Japan (now China) and the AVR's pulling a Jenny Craig. For instance, the pre merger $1699 7 Channel Denon AVR-3808 weighed 39.2 pounds whereas the $2499 9 Channel AVR-4520CI weighs 36 pounds.

I do like H/K and am a huge fan of Logic 7. However, as has been pointed out above, they just have not seemed as relevant in the HDMI era.
Cheers,
JJ
I just picked up a HK 3600, that was manufactured in Jan 2012. It has HDMI v1.4a. So it is up to date HDMI.
For streaming I use iTunes on my macbook. And it does have a dock for iPhone/Pad.
When it comes to processing stereo sources into MC, Logic7 has it all over the rest. And the 3600 has full set of pre-outs, which allows me to use my Parasound power amp and also P7 pre.
I wish it had dual sub outs, but I daisy chain my two subs, so not huge problem.
The next choice would be a Marantz, then Denon...I would never buy Onkyo.
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Re: Harman Kardon or Marantz

Thank you all for the info. The next avr I purchase wont be from either one of of these companies. I will go the separate route from Emotiva
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Re: Harman Kardon or Marantz

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Thank you all for the info. The next avr I purchase wont be from either one of of these companies. I will go the separate route from Emotiva
Hello,
Please let us know your impressions. I am not a huge fan of Emotiva SSP's, but hopefully the latest with TACT RoomEQ will be a different story.
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